At the beginning of the month of August, a group of Church of Christ preachers who are convinced of Fulfilled Eschatology (i.e., Full Preterism), got together at the Church of Christ Ludington and offered up lectures for the 6th Annual Spirit & Life Lectures.
You can listen to our 2-part review of the lectures on the Preterist Power Hour at the following links:
Review Pt. 1 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv6mPrW-CdI
Review Pt. 2 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcWZA5Vq51o
Below you can see the graphic that advertised the event, and below that you can find each speaker, a link to their message on YouTube, and some notes shared by Michael Miano.
John Watson – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GWbltutFFQ
cf. Galatians 1; 2 Thess 2; Phil. 3:17-20; 2 Tim. 3
I enjoyed John Watson’s points about the apostasy that captivated so many in the first century. I also appreciated his bringing up the Apostle Peter’s falling into that camp for a bit (therefore it wasn’t and isn’t too hard to stray cf. Galatians 2:11-13). I was reminded of Dr. Don K. Preston‘s teaching of “Silence of the Church (pt. 1)” where he brought up Matthew 24:10-11.
Also, attaching it to future generations and the ability of error, even in those many refer erroneously to as “church fathers”.
Scott Klaft – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB6PhN_RWPA
cf. Matthew 16:1-3
“In my personal experience, allowing people to direct the the direction of the study is how we get distracted in these things”. – Scott Klaft
“Time-limiting-qualifying statements” – true or not?
Scott makes much of his case for preterism based on the “time determines the nature” argument.
The one text – Matthew 5:18
“Let’s establish the historical context before trying to convince people of the implications and the side-subjects, the many different things we might get distracted by. I believe it will make us more successful in effecting Spiritual maturity in the Church and giving increase to the glory of God”. – Scott Klaft
I thoroughly enjoyed Scott Klaft‘s presentation and his premise of knowing the times versus being distracted (as demonstrated in Matthew 16:1-3). Scott highlighted the “time-limiting-qualifying statements” as what should be the focus of our study and he makes his for preterism based on the “time determines the nature” argument (which I agree very much with). Scott marked out Matthew 5:18 as the “one text” that should stir all to consider fulfilled bible prophecy (i.e., Full Preterism). Two great points that Scott made that I quote him on are:
“In my personal experience, allowing people to direct the the direction of the study is how we get distracted in these things”
“Let’s establish the historical context before trying to convince people of the implications and the side-subjects, the many different things we might get distracted by. I believe it will make us more successful in effecting Spiritual maturity in the Church and giving increase to the glory of God”
Mario Watson Beasley – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwZdX-ETGVI
cf. Revelation 10:7; Ephesians 3:3-6; Ephesians 1:8-10; Colossians 1:25-27
I agree with Mario Watson Beasley Sr. about how simple these things are, and yet the Futurist wants to confuse them. I taught a sermon series a few years back on the “One New Man” that correlates well with what Beasley is saying. Glory to God.
“Saving of the righteous remnant, which would occur at the time of the judgement of Israel, judgement and salvation of Israel go hand in hand”. – Mario Watson Beasley Sr.
“At the sound of the last trumpet, the mystery of God was fulfilled. Israel and Gentiles together in the Body of Christ by the Gospel is the mystery of God. The fulfillment of the mystery of God is the Church.” – Mario Watson Beasley Sr.
A great topic indeed, because just as Mario Watson Beasley Sr. marked out, the hope of Israel as outlined by understanding the Gospel and the mystery of God is so simple, but the Futurist wants to confuse the details (to correlate with what Scott Klaft spoke about – they get distracted). Mario brought up many good texts to affirm his points, namely demonstrating, “Saving of the righteous remnant, which would occur at the time of the judgement of Israel, judgement and salvation of Israel go hand in hand”. Mario concluded his message with a great affirmation that we cleave to as Christians, “At the sound of the last trumpet, the mystery of
God was fulfilled. Israel and Gentiles together in the Body of Christ by the Gospel is the mystery of God. The fulfillment of the mystery of God is the Church.”
I had preached an entire sermon series on the beautiful topic of the “One New Man” a few years ago. Simply visit the following link, https://www.academia.edu/…/One_New_Man_Sermon_Series…
Roy Runyon – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHpIvlKJhj0
cf. 1 Corinthians 14:9 – In search of an easy to understand and easy to explain Gospel.
cf. Daniel 7:9-14; Daniel 12:1-13; Revelation 20:11-12 (cf. Matthew 16:27) cf. Matthew 24:15,21, 29, 30-34
Matthew 20:21 cf. Mark 10:37
I love how Roy Runyon includes some humor in regards to the false teachers of Futurism and their constant sutberfuge.
To see a prime example of Stephen Whitsett’s wrangling of words, here is a link to the debate I had with him a few years back.
Brent Bischel – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejh2n88ZT2g
cf. Acts 3:19; 2 Samuel 7:12-16; Psalm 110:1-2; 1 Corinthians 15:24-25; Matthew 25:31; 1 Peter 5:4 (cf. Ezekiel 34).
Contrary to popular thought, the devil was not destroyed at the cross (cf. Romans 16:20; Revelation 20:10)
“The Kingdom wasn’t complete TILL he reigned over all nations with the “rod of iron” = the unbendable Gospel. And He had to rule in the midst of His enemies until He could rule over them”. – Brent Bischel
Steve Baidsen – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCaKwRuUAPA
“I am not here to convince you about the past coming of the Lord, I am here to talk about the past coming of the Lord, because it has happened”. – Steven Baisden
Matthew 5:3 – “the poor in Spirit” = those who want to know more!
“One of the ways that I find it easiest to learn about a topic is to study the opposite and compare it to the real thing”. – Steven Baisden
Compare and contrast Matthew 5 with Galatians 5.
“I want to move into a house fully built, with a roof over my head”. – Steven Baisden
“Instead of a restoration movement, the Church should be pleading for the restitution movement”. – Steven Baisden
“I know full well how we are trained, we are trained to emphasize the New Testament teaching, we separate that from the Old, and we don’t see that the New Testament is simply the fulfillment of the old promises. And if our teaching doesn’t square with the Old Testament is it s false doctrine. It is!” – Holger Neubauer
1 Corinthians 15 cf. Hosea 6; 13:14
William Bell on 1 Cor 15. Hosea 6
3 Witnesses – John 20:26-27 (Thomas); Acts 9 (Saul of Tarsus/ Paul); Acts 7 (Stephen)
What did they see?
Holger’s last thoughts on baptism, namely bringing us to , led me to write the following on Facebook, “”Water baptism must often-times be assumed into texts, rather than understanding the immersion, to be something beyond the physical experience of a person, which is the true importance and demonstration of being found in Christ.” – Pastor Michael Miano