7/29 – Preterist Power Hour & Resources

Watch and review this week’s Preterist Power Hour at the following link, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwE36_BhV68

Cohosts Michael Miano & Edward Howell continued there study and discussion through Thessalonians, namely how the Thessalonians were to be saved from the “wrath to come”. Quite a bit of discussion was had regarding verses marked out in 1st Thessalonians.

  • These were the 1st Thessalonians texts were marked out as pertinent to this study: 1:10, 2:2, 2:14-16, 2:19-20, 3:2-4; 3:13; 4:13-18; 5:1-11
  • Parousia Sunday aka New Jerusalem Day (which is celebrated by the Preterist community the 1st Sunday of August) was mentioned. You can find more information about that at the following link, https://adammaarschalk.com/tag/new-jerusalem/
  • Consider watching the Preterist T’Bav video that was put together a few years ago, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5Krt1mkg8M

7/22 – Preterist Power Hour & Resources

Watch and review this week’s Preterist Power Hour at the following link, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b05paT249kU

On this past Thursday’s, Preterist Power Hour, 7/22, Michael Miano and Edward Howell co-hosted a study session discussing how the Thessalonians were affected by the “wrath to come” and how that relates to the Roman-Jewish War, as well as the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in AD 70. We read through 1st & 2nd Thessalonians. 

A few resources were mentioned: 

Ed Stevens book, The Final Decade Before The End – https://www.preterist.org/products/final-decade-before-the-end-print-edition/

Ed Steven’s email to attain PDF files mentioned in the study session – preterist1@preterist.org

Don Preston’s Morning Musings through Thessalonians – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypQToNPFxCw&list=PLhTk2RamIg8saruiGmi2jHQ9nzlGiY08m

Don Preston books: 

  • We Shall Meet Him in the Air 
  • In Flaming Fire

Michael Miano’s resources: 

1 Thessalonians 4 – https://mianogonewild.wordpress.com/2014/06/06/two-controversial-passages-1-thessalonians-4-romans-11/

2 Thessalonians 2-  https://mianogonewild.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/2-thessalonians-chapter-2-a-response-to-matthew-henrys-commentary/

7/15 – Preterist Power Hour & Resources

On this podcast session of Preterist Power Hour, co-hosts Michael Miano & Edward Howell, share further details about the two foundational debates Max King had back in 1973 (with Gus Nichols) and in 1975 (with Jim McGuiggan), they talked a bit about the Thessalonians and AD 70 (with more details coming next week), and share some thoughts about this year’s currently happening, Preterist Pilgrim Weekend.

The following resources were mentioned on the podcast:

Debate links from Max King and others – https://powerofpreterism.wordpress.com/2021/06/11/6-10-preterist-power-hour-resources/

God’s PAST Judgement teaching by Michael Miano – https://mianogonewild.wordpress.com/2018/07/23/884/

Wicked written by Michael Miano – https://wickedthingsexplained.wordpress.com/

Ed Steven’s book, The Final Decade Before The End – https://www.preterist.org/products/final-decade-before-the-end-print-edition/

2021 Preterist Pilgrim Weekend – https://ppw.bibleprophecy.com/2021/

2021 – Preterist Pilgrim Weekend

Last week, Dr. Don K. Preston and the Preterist Research Institute (www.eschatology.org) hosted a virtual 2021 Preterist Pilgrim Weekend. In this blog, you can find YouTube links to each of the messages, as well as some of my notes for some of the messages. 

Song of Moses (Pt. 1) – Dr. Don K. Preston 

Dr. Preston highlighted that Jesus Christ and the Apostles sang the song of Moses to that wicked and perverse generation (cf. Duet. 32:5; Matthew 17:17; Acts 2:40).

Leviticus 23 and Daniel 9: Fulfillment of Israel’s Covenant Curses Part 1 – Al Pershon

I was totally blessed by reading through the prayer of Daniel.

The Marriage of the Lamb: Fulfillment of OT and NT- The Story of God’s Love Part 1 – Scott Fisher

Scott demonstrated that Dueteronomy 28-32 outlines the wrath of God proclamation that Christ and the Apostles declared against Jerusalem in that generation (including the Book of Revelation). He also brought up the following two verses:  Psalm 81:15 &Luke 21:20

Song of Moses (Pt. 2) – Dr. Don K. Preston 



The New Exodus and The Great City – Daniel Rogers

Daniel made it clear that Jesus, unlike Solomon, fulfilled the expectations of the role of David’s son”. Also he mentioned, “As the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, Jesus humbled Himself and was reborn of the Spirit. Entering Christ means entering His death and resurrection”. And highlighting the need for the “new exodus”, Daniel asserted, “”Though Judah returned from Babylon, the two nations were not yet united”.
The following link will not only bring you to both of Daniel’s teachings for PPW, but will also let you download his PowerPoint, https://labornotinvain.com/2021/07/17/2021-ppw-lessons/

(Special Presentation)-The Millennium and the Second Exodus (Pt. 1) – Robert Cruickshank

(Special Presentation)-The Millennium and the Second Exodus (Pt. 2) – Robert Cruickshank

The Marriage of the Lamb: Fulfillment of OT and NT- The Story of God’s Love Part 2 – Scott Fisher

Song of Moses (Pt. 3) – Dr. Don K. Preston 

Leviticus 23 and Daniel 9: Fulfillment of Israel’s Covenant Curses Part 2 – Al Pershon

The New Exodus and the New Heavens and New Earth – Daniel Rogers

Daniel marked out that by the first century, Jerusalem had become spiritual Sodom (cf.Duet. 32:32; Ezekiel 16:49). 

6/10 – Preterist Power Hour & Resources

On Thursday, 6/11 – Michael Miano & Edward Howell talked through details regarding debate, especially as it pertains to the advancement of Preterits. Edward shared thoughts on his favorite debate that he watched and the worst, as Michael Miano outlined debates he has participated in and the value of reviewing points made during said debates. You can listen to the podcast at the following link, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWKfpnAO58g

The following resources were mentioned on this week’s podcast: 

1st Miano/Frost debate (we watched a clip from (1:42:32 – 1:52:18) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz4JEGAsumE&t=3265s

2nd Miano/Frost debate – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woYPNcA6SAY&t=6325s

Miano/Ianucchili debate (going through 5 parts of Biblical narrative –  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDRZ5LeoUHw&t=4660s

Miano/Bradley (written & video debate) – https://powerofpreterism.wordpress.com/2018/03/29/israel-only-debate-is-it-scripturally-defendable/

Continuing our discussion through, Give Me This Mountain, we talked about Max King’s efforts from 1971 -1975. 

In 1971, Max published a book titled, The Spirit of Prophecy. We intend to talk through the details of that book and the following resources on next week’s session of the Preterist Power Hour. 

In 1973 Max King debated Gus Nichols. The following links give you the opportunity to buy a book version of the debate, read the pdf, or listen to audio: 

      – https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N46W2PS/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

      – https://icotb.org/resources/NICHOLS-KINGDEBATE.pdf

     – https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxUCCNlXtFtnj-MKHwqYqUnV4-MQ-jUjG

In 1975, Max King debated Jim McGuiggan. Visit the following link and click to download that debate,  https://labornotinvain.com/2021/03/29/mcguiggan-king-debate/

The Power in & Power of PRETERISM 

As director of The Power of Preterism Network (www.powerofpreterism.com) my tagline and hashtag, especially when sharing posts related to Biblical prophecy and necessary reforms to be had in contemporary Christianity, has been #PowerOfPreterism. 

When highlighting the ‘power of preterism’, my intention is to demonstrate how edifying it is to understand what Bible prophecy points to (the consummated Kingdom of God), and how important it is to study through correlating and syllogistic Bible texts, and always aim for consistency and intellectual honesty regarding interpretation of Biblical texts that may run counter traditional thought (especially regarding eschatology – the study of last things). Many of the problems and divisions found in the Body of Christ could be alleviated by proper Bible interpretation (namely discerning audience relevance before applicational relevance) and a desire for contextual teaching rather than proof-texting and isolating passages to fit our our interpretational whims. 

One method I have continued to labor in regarding helping others see the necessary reforms of and power of Preterism in the Church is participating in public debates. Admittedly, the goal is never so much to change the mind of the person I am debating, but rather to allow those watching the debate to see the need to study through certain areas and to foster the desire for consistency in Biblical interpretation and explanation. Another method I utilize is listening to sermons and lectures by preachers and teachers I disagree with in an effort to challenge my own study and to demonstrate how I would go about explaining the points in a manner that I would agree with. I am glad that I am not alone in this attitude and methodology because due to the many efforts that are out there we have continued to see the progress of Preterism in the likes of individual’s understanding, Preterism being preached from pulpits (rather than deferred hope; cf. Proverbs 13:12), and various ministries and websites popping up to further work out the ethics of a Preterist worldview. 

All of that said, recently I had the privilege of listening through some podcasts produced by Gary DeMar, the president of American Vision (www.americanvision.org), (and one wherein he was a guest). I’d like to share some notes I took and make some assertions in an effort to hopefully foster discussion with Gary and others of similar interpretational persuasion, as well as edify those who mighty study through these things. I have had passing Facebook conversations with Gary usually aimed at challenging him to help with the advancement of Biblical eschatology, and he has continued to challenge me that the necessary component of advancing Full Preterism is to “produce books on how a comprehensive worldview flows from FP”, and these should include details on topics such as economics, government, education, etc. I may agree with such an assertion, however as you read through the notes I will share below, I believe it will be apparent to any informed and honest Bible student that just being honest with the details we have from the Scriptures demonstrates the power of Preterism (and to be clear, I speak of Preterism as the understanding of past fulfilled Bible prophecy, the whole ‘partial preterism’ category is simply avoiding (and many times confusing) the consistency of the Biblical details). 

Let’s first consider the podcast titled, “Is Full Preterism Heresy” produced on April 28, 2021. (1) 

Gary started out by detailing that there are “different types of Full Preterism” and that “there have always been Preterists, this isn’t something new” (and then he mentioned that Full Preterism is new). Unfortunately, in detailing Full Preterism, Gary chose to highlight the ‘hyperpreterist’ perspective that, “Every prophetic event and it’s significance is done” (which is viewed as an aberrant view by many Full Preterists), and he mentioned the name of Dr. Don K. Preston (who does believe in the continuation of the Kingdom of God since it’s consummation in AD 70). I’d be interested to hear what Gary thinks the significance of AD 70 was, what did it point to, and what the implications of a yet 2nd coming are (which is my estimation is rather problematic). Our study group noted all the verses that were mentioned in the discussion (Hebrews 9:28; Revelation 20-22; Acts 1; 1 Corinthians 15; and 1 Thessalonians 4). He mentioned two resources – a book by James Orr and a podcast with Doug Giles that he was interviewed on (I will speak on that below). Gary mentioned the problems with a ‘creedal view’ of the resurrection, namely because the creeds have differences (resurrection of the flesh, the body, or the dead) and was awfully comfortable agreeing with the thoughts that “The Bible is a big book” and “We just don’t know”. If that be the case, how could Full Preterism ever be considered heresy?!?!? Lastly, Gary spent considerable time urging Christians to focus on their calling, noting that we are “brothers of the 2nd Adam doing what the 1st Adam should have done”. He spoke a bit about the Christian worldview and God’s law (which he referred to as the particulars) and noted that each of us should be asking ourselves, “What should I be doing, generation to generation”. As Gary concluded the podcast I was left with the nagging thought, so as this supposed future coming of Christ – will my calling to teach and preach the Gospel cease? Doesn’t that impede upon the eternality of the Gospel (cf. Revelation 14:6)? 


That brings me to the next podcast, wherein Gary Demar was a guest on the Warriors and Wildmen podcast (2). Much of the same stuff as detailed above was mentioned, also Gary went to great lengths to show the problems with Dispensationalism. However, the most poignant detail from the podcast was when the host, Doug Giles, remarked that the only passage he asserts regarding eschatology is Luke 19:13, wherein Jesus Christ shares a parable that says, “occupy until I come”. This leads in on the thoughts I mentioned above. Does the occupation of the Kingdom remnant end at some point in history? Is that what we read in Scripture as the finality of Bible prophecy? The failure to correlate this parable in Luke 19:11 – 27 with other parables told by Jesus (and the details in the other synoptic gospels) regarding His coming and bringing judgement seems to allow for a Futuristic reading. A great resource to gain an understanding of Jesus’ Kingdom parables fulfilled in T.J. Smith’s book, Kingdom Come: Messiah’s Methodical Manifesto Hidden In His Parables. In that book, T.J. Smith writes, “Nothing about the parables of the Kingdom are about our future (except our inclusion into the Kingdom)…Sadly, millions of Christians world-wide miss the entire message of God’s Kingdom and the full victory of Christ because they are taught to believe their hope is in a future fulfillment. “Already but not yet” as they say. This teaching and belief of a “future fulfilled but presently an incomplete Kingdom” robs Jesus of His majesty, dominion, power, faithfulness, authority, victory, destiny, and in turn, deprives believers of the very essence of God’s love and absolute sovereignty”. 

In his podcast, The Rise Of The Antichrist (3), Gary expounded upon heresy in the 1st century (leaning in on audience relevance) and said, “They were more focused on the shadows of the Old Covenant promises than the light of the reality which was embodied in the person and work of Jesus Christ”. Amen! Sadly, as Brian Martin noted in his book, Behind The Veil of Moses, the same blindness that kept many in the first century blind to the reality of God, has unfortunately effected many in the Futurist camp today. Instead of seeing the fullness of what God has provided, many want it to be according to their own interpretations, whims, and desires. Furthermore, Gary dispelled the common notions of Futurist thought regarding the coming Antichrist by asserting, “…the Biblical definition of antichrist is someone who denies that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, as well as those who deny the relationship between the Father and the Son”. 

“The Last Days Are Past Days” (4) was the fourth podcast I listened to by Gary DeMar wherein he asserted, “This idea that the majority of the New Testament passages relating to the end times relate to the events leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 was a popular position…I’ve got a library full of books that make that case”. That should cause any honest Bible study to question, well then, what happened? How has Dispensational thought crept into churches and pulpits at some an alarming rate that the majority of Christians have no idea what to believe Biblical about the last days? How and why is the Full Preterist demonized at every turn (it should be noted that so much has been done to keep Full Preterism from advancing in the local church – hereticizing, ostracising, and ignoring those who feel compelled to bring these truths up)? Gary offers up am simply solution regarding the topic of the last days, we must ask “the last days of what?” and contextually “for whom”? 

Last but surely not least, was the podcast “So What’s Left?” (5). 

It’s important to note that much of the discussion Gary and his cohost were having about these things spawned from their reading through, Paradise Restored, by David Chilton. In the book, David Chilton aims at the Full Preterist hermeneutic and refers to it as “post everythingism”, however Gary honestly admitted that prior to his passing away, David Chilton had seen the consistency in the Full Preterist view. There are quite a few resources around the web that one can find to learn of Chilton’s transition into Full Preterist thought and even some lectures that can be found (I have some information and links for those a bit more interested in that regard – simply message or email me). Gary likes to use the phrase, “Well, that’s the traditional thought”, which more often than not seems like he is hiding from the consistency of the Scriptural details. He asserted the following 3 Bible texts as pointing to a yet future coming, Acts 1; 1 Thessalonians 4; and 1 Corinthians 15, but admitted, “There is debate out there about what these passages are saying”. There sure is! And frankly there are so many teachings from Full Preterists (myself included) on those texts I don’t know how or why using them to bolstering Futurism is even possible. Gary did admit his need to continue studying through these things, which I hope is a sure case. Oddly enough, Gary mentioned his lack of knowledge regarding what happens to our bodies (after death and/or in the future), which is odd to me because I have previously been hereticized for sharing the exact same thought. Gary said, “The most important thing is that when you die you are going to be with Jesus. Whatever happens after death, I’m not worried about it…So if your resurrection begins when you die, that you get a brand new body, praise God. If it’s till sometime at the end of time that we are going to be reunited, praise God. It doesn’t change the way I live here in the present”. I’d agree, however that’s also largely due to the fact that Gary is heretized for saying such things, when hosts of Full Preterists have said similar and are cast out. Even more odd was the assertion Gary made, borrowing thoughts from Barna Research Group, regarding “only 6% of Christians having a Biblical worldview”. If that be the case, and Futurism is the popular eschatological view, how can it be demanded that the Full Preterist outline a comprehensive worldview to be viewed as a viable option? Maybe just maybe, Full Preterism does indeed offer the proper Biblical worldview that so many lack (I.e., “the power of Preterism). 

To conclude my thoughts I hope this review of these blogs was informative and edifying, in the very least challenging each of us toward Biblical context, clarity, and consistency and will foster discussion in these areas. I regular cite 2 Timothy 2:15 wherein we read that those who study to show themselves approved by rightly dividing the Word of Truth need not be ashamed. The reversal of that is that if we are not studying and rightly dividing these things we should be ashamed (which I believe to be the case illustrated by the 6% figure given above regarding contemporary Christians). There is plenty of study, work, and strategizing that needs to be done regarding the advancement of the power of preterism, which I continue to believe will take place in and through local churches. 

Submitted by: Michael Miano 

Links 

(1) – https://garydemar.libsyn.com/is-full-preterism-heresy

(2) – https://www.stitcher.com/show/warriors-wildmen/episode/e199-last-days-madness-with-gary-demar-83373518

(3) – https://garydemar.libsyn.com/the-rise-of-antichrist

(4) – https://garydemar.libsyn.com/the-last-days-are-past-days

(5) – https://garydemar.libsyn.com/so-whats-left

Book Review: Give Me This Mountain (Tim King)

I recently read ‘Give  Me This Mountain’ written by Tim King. Not only do I hope to develop more resources, interviews, and discussion regarding the details shared in the book, especially as they pertain to the advancement of the Preterist Movement, on the Preterist Power Hour, but herein I share notes I took as I read, as well as thoughts and resource to accompany things that were detailed. 

When outlining the history and advancement of Preterism, especially in our current generation, it would be remiss to leave out Max King. Give Me This Mountain tells the biographical details of Max King and his “unwavering convictions” regarding the truth of the Scriptures and the movement that followed. 

Max King 

Speaking of Max King and the fact that he grew up on a farm and his having “a strong sense of nature are God’s gift to humanity”, “It never resonated with him to hear the local preacher speak of the day when God would destroy it all by fire at the supposed ‘end of time’. It seemed liked a tragic waste”. 

“With an unwavering conviction that Scripture was the Word of God, Max began to ask questions that no one else was interested in asking. What is this story about? To whom was it written? What was it’s relationship to Israel and what was her role in the salvation of humanity? Why would God pronounce His creation “very good” only to destroy it because of humanity’s sin? Why did Jesus make such magnificent promises of what would occur in the lifetime of some of those standing in His audience if they would be delayed millennia? What was going on? What could we possibly be missing?” 

“…Max became determined to understand the Book of Revelation as thoroughly as possible”. 

  • “The more he studied, the more convinced he became that John’s Revelation was indeed fulfilled”. 
  • “The view began to crystalize in his understanding as he studied Matthew’s Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24) in light of Daniel and the Book of Revelation”. 

Asking the questions in bold above and seeking to understand the whole counsel of God through the Biblical narrative is what we refer to ‘A Thinking Faith” at The Blue Point Bible Church. Take notice of the things that led Max to consider the truth of preterism – an appreciation for God’s creation, the Biblical narrative, and the syllogistic beauty of Bible prophecy, along with audience relevancy and time statements, as found in and through the book of Daniel, Matthew 24, and the book of Revelation. 

1971 – The Spirit of Prophecy (1st book) 

Parkman Rd. Church of Christ, Warren, Ohio 

Elders: Harold Sapp, Edgar Dunlap, Cephas Foweler 

“It would have been easier to replace their minister instead of challenging their orthodoxy, but they were bent on knowing and putting forth a better understanding of God’s Word”. 

“Little did it matter that folks didn’t know the issues, the Scriptures, or really even what we were saying. All that mattered was that we were coloring outside the lines and that is not high on the tolerated behaviours within the corridors of Christendom”…”…there are good folks lout there who are willing to listen, weight the evidence, and decide that some things are just not worth dividing over, even if they disagree”…”Here we were, men who have given our lives to the study off Scripture and many of them were hiding behind uninspired creeds of men”. (Recommended read: Sam Frost’s book, Misplaced Hope) 

I have not have the chance to read through The Spirit of Prophecy which is something I will read and review sometime soon. I wanted to mark out the names of men who demonstrated integrity in their approach to study of the Scriptures. God willing, some of them can be contacted and communicated with for further edification and encouragement. One major thing being noted is the similarities between the argumentation, or lack their of, that they received in regards to Preterism and what many of us here down to the common day (and of course I appreciate the notice of those in the mix who are willing to learn and discern these things). This seemingly intentional ignorance and hiding has been occurring for 30 years, whewwww….almost a Biblical generation (which is an edifying study that revealed it to be 40 years). Matter of fact, here is a link that brings you through that short study, http://christeternalchristianchurch.com/learning-activity-83-bible-passages-to-challenge-your-eschatology/learninglist/learning-activity-34a/

1973 – Max King vs. Gus Nichols 

“If Max had any shortcomings in the debate, it was his naïveté that debating the issues was something Gus Nichols was prepared to do”. 

“I abhor debates. I have yet to see one that I thought beneficial. Certainly neither participant leaves having been won over by the other.” 

I can totally understand Tim’s frustration expressed herein. I have participated in quite a few public debates, and following most of those debates (sometimes within hours),  I had the same thoughts – how naïveté I am and how arrogant some can be (which debate seems to magnify). I believe that so much has been laid down regarding the truth of Preterism in the host of debates that have been done (simply go to YouTube and search Preterism vs. Futurism debates) – which necessitates constant return to and examination of such debates. Our future debates, if and when had, should build upon truths already expressed and agreed upon. 

Back in 2015, I participated in a public discourse with a local pastor about 5 segments of Biblical understanding – Genesis creation, The Law of Moses, The Prophets, The Messiah, and Eschatology. I felt it was a beneficial discussion rather than debate. You can watch that on YouTube at the following link, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDRZ5LeoUHw&t=2s

1975 – Max King vs. Jim McGuiggan (written debate)

“Having witnessed both type of debates, I prefer the written to the verbal because it seems to allow for the best thoughts on the subject to be arranged and put forth”. 

“Between 1975 – 1987 Max read every American, German, English, and Dutch scholar he could get his hands on…He was stunned at how many writers were content to say that Jesus or Paul were wrong. He labored with an unwavering conviction that this simply could not be the case”

”In the 18th century a man named Hermann Samuel Reimarus would forever change the way the world looked at Jesus…Jesus was a failed revolutionary (the likes of Albert Sweitzer – a failed prophet).”

I surely agree with Tim about the value of written debates. I participated in a written debate regarding the erroneous view of Israel-Only a few years ago and found that to be edifying. You review that debate at the following link, https://powerofpreterism.wordpress.com/2018/03/29/israel-only-debate-is-it-scripturally-defendable/

The burden of the Full Preterist is to defend the faith in regards to Jesus Christ and the Apostles meaning what they said to whom they said it to. Going the route of saying that Christ was a failed revolutionary, or worst yet, a failed prophet, seems blasphemous.  Matter of fact, it was Bertrand Russell, who included in his lecture, Why I am Not A Christian, that Jesus’ failed prophesies was one of his reasons for maintaining atheism. Russel goes on to say, “For one thing, He certainly thought that His second coming would occur in clouds of glory before the death of all the people who were living at that time. There are a great many texts that prove that.”. All of that said, I applaud Max King and the fulfilled Bible prophecy students that notice these texts and seek to be honest with them. 

1987 – The Cross & The Parousia (2nd Book) 

“At this point it was evident that people were either predisposed to understanding these issues or they weren’t. And if they weren’t, it didn’t matter what form of writing was placed in front of them – they weren’t going to deal with it”. 

Understanding syllogisms and correlating texts is vital to putting together the Biblical narrative, especially as it pertains to Bible prophecy. Max King’s book, The Cross and the Parousia demonstrates the richness of what occurred from the cross to Christ’s coming (I.e., parousia). Sadly, Tim’s quote rings true to any Preterist who has labored to share these truths with those who do not have eyes to see and ears to hear. We must recognize the Spiritual component to this (1 Cor. 2:14). 

1989 – 1st Annual Covenant Eschatology Seminar 

Speakers: Terry Hall, Jack Scott, William Bell, Don Preston, Doug and Max King, and others within the COC 

“Fulfilled Eschatology was (and is) for many just something to cram into an existing denominational belief system, and that causes them to be even more of a belligerent theological bully…A different and more open approach needed to be taken”…”If there is a shadow side to the fulfilled prophecy movement it is the combative spirit that continues to exist in some circles even now”. 

Talk about a throwback. The variety of conferences we now have in the ‘Preterist Movement’ is so encouraging. I can only imagine how encouraging that very first conference was (I also look to contact many of the names mentioned not only at the 1st conference, but all throughout Tim’s book, so that we can continue to see the root, fruit, and progress of Preterism. And sadly, yes, the issue of denominationalism continues, even within the ‘Preterist Movement’ and the ‘combative spirit’ (which I usually refer to as the ‘wounded animal syndrome’). Strides continue to be taken to foster Preterist thought into all denominations (and God willing, break down some of the divides in our understandings ). 

1989 – Living Presence Journal (Preterist Magazine)

Now we have Fulfilled! Magazine 

I sought to find a remnant of the Living Presence Journal on the internet to no avail. However, we now have FULFILLED! Magazine as an in-print, quarterly Preterist magazine. You can find more information and review past copies at the following link, https://www.fulfilledcg.com/Magazine/fulfilled-magazine.htm

Resurrection 

  • “Once we see the when of the resurrection, we can talk about the what and how until the day we die”. 
  • “One of the greatest challenges to getting the resurrection frames correctly is the area of semantics. People are hyper-sensitive to Gnostic ideas that assert Jesus was never raised in a physical, flesh-and-blood body, which, we all agree, He was”. 
  • “The whole implication of fulfilled redemption is to grasp how God has reversed in Christ what had been severed in Adam” 

After teaching, preaching, and publicly defending the fulfilled understanding of the resurrection, I must say it all seems like intentional ignorance on the Futurist’s part. When looking at Daniel chapter 12 specifically, and others texts that put the ‘resurrection of the dead’ at the coming of the Lord, and then being honest with the time-statements, it becomes impossible to ignore that the current day understanding of the ‘resurrection of the dead’ that is spouted by many preachers is simply not what the Scriptures have to teach. I offer the following blog that I did as a short explanation and a host of resources in understanding the corporate-body resurrection that was to occur at the coming of the Lord in AD 70, https://powerofpreterism.wordpress.com/2017/05/03/an-introduction-to-and-praise-of-the-corporate-body-view-cbv/

Also, here is a ‘Notebook Review’ I did regarding my personal studies and notes on the resurrection of the dead,  https://mianogonewild.wordpress.com/2017/05/27/notebook-review-resurrection-of-the-dead/

1998 – 9th Annual Covenant Eschatology Seminar 

Theme: “A Reason To Praise: Capturing the Essence of Our Salvation” 

Jay Gary – united regarding a message that makes a difference 

“It made a difference that there were people starving and that the religious world needed to be renewed and refocused if coordinated efforts were going to be made in working together. It made a difference if most of Christianity looked for an escape through the return of Christ and were forfeiting their voice in making this world better”. 

“What if? What if the Church were to experience Biblical renewal in our generation in reference to the end time as Jesus saw it? What if the Church would begin to invite society to recovery humanity’s hope?” 

“Through the 90’s, we had witnessed what happened within the world of Preterism with all of it’s labels: Full, Partial, Hyper, IBD, and on and on”…”I suppose the final straw for me was when the president of the International Preterist Association took the view that the 1st century church was literally raptured off the face of the earth – and that this supplied the answer to the oft-asked question as to why the teaching of Fulfilled Eschology went undiscovered for so long”.  

“…After Paul’s martyrdom and post-consummation of the Kingdom in AD 70…the rapid Hellenization of the church. By being overhwelmed with Greek influence, it is not difficult to see how easily they lost sight of the faith of Paul regarding the New Covenant perspective of the salvation that was of “All Israel’s” at AD 70. Just as Israel needed to enter into her “spiritual things”, so too, the Gentiles were made partakers of Israel’s “spiritual things”. Each group blundered in sponsoring various movements seeking to castigate the other from the favor of God”. 

One of the most heard (and most responded to) questions we hear regarding Preterism is, “What now?”. They have been talks, conferences, and roundtables to the overflow in this regard. As the theme of the 9th Annual Covenant Eschatology Seminar pointed out – when we capture the essence of our salvation, we have a mighty reason to praise. Each year at The Blue Point Bible Church we have had conferences (we are aiming to do our 7th annual conference this coming October 2021, wherein we focus on exactly that – living our lives in light of the fulfilled hope. 

I also share Tim’s frustration regarding the many labels in Preterism, especially the division between the corporate-body view (CBV) and the rapture-driven IBD view (Immortal Body at Death). I actually had a public discourse with Ed Stevens, the president of the International Preterist Association a fews years ago regarding these differences. You can review that discussion on YouTube at the following link, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7zaUtNfLC0&t=1281s

Discussion does continue regarding how, why, and where the truth of fulfilment was lost in early generations of the Christian church. An outstanding read in that regard is Kurt Simmon’s, The Road Back to Preterism, which you can purchase, or read online at the following link, http://www.preteristcentral.com/The%20Road%20Back%20to%20Preterism.html

January 2000 – New theme for Presence Ministries: “Recovering Humanity’s Hope” 

“…the key to the 21st century would be to recover the full redemptive vision that undergirded the 1st century church”. 

Transmillenialism 

“…to come up with a word, a label that would help identify this study of Fulfilled Eschatology”….””Trans” for “Millennialism”. It was less a matter of a reformation (or a restoration of what was) than it was a call for transformation into what we could become – a realisation of our great potential in God”….”Transmillennialism is a necessary and valuable upgrade to Preterism”. 

I have come to understand the term ‘transmillenialism’ to be highlight that the work of Christ in the 1st century generation was transitional. As I mentioned above, a Biblical generation is 40 years. The use of 1,000 in Biblical prophecy highlights completion. So we might say , what was accomplished in the 40 years from the cross to the coming of Christ was transitioning the Christian Church into completeness (or consumption/ salvation as other texts express). 

I have continued to mark out the variety of names and ministries mentioned, so that as I also mentioned above, we might continue to mine the treasures of the roots, fruits, and progress of Preterism (and I believe it is high time to double back and ask some of these individuals to weigh in on the progress the ‘Preterist Movement’ has seen in the last 21 years. 

Kevin Beck

Terry Hall 

“Men who could have pulled back for the sake of reputation, but who decided to continue to walk with us in integrity” 

Holy Ground Ministries, Quest (publication)

Joanne Gerety, south NJ

Tyrone Cropper

Dr. Jim Hodges, Christ For The Nations 

“One thing stood out to both of us: if Revelation 21-22 were indeed a living reality, if the new heavens and new earth were here, then believers no longer would be living in a world where God was at war. Rather than “spiritual warfare”…be guided by a ”spiritual procession” mentality”. 

Naim Ateek, Sabeel Theological Seminary 

World Future Society 

Eric Value (traveled from Caribbean to attend seminars) 

Dr. Brenda Brasher, The Center For Millennial Studies 

Dr. Harvey Cox 

N.T. Wright 

Scot McKnight 

Robert Costa, Australia 

It would seem that the turn of the millennium, the year 2000, was a frustrating but inspiring time to being involved with fulfilled Bible prophecy. Tim goes on to mention,  “It is alarming how many ‘Preterist’ individuals or ministries exist who take their own form of scapegoating, demonizing or conspiracy theories and weave them together with the Biblical story as if God is calling the world into a similar mindset that got Jerusalem destroyed in the first place”. I couldn’t agree more. I also appreciated the following insights on necessary progress the ‘Preterist Movement’ must see, “If it took 2000 years to begin to grasp the significance of the events of the 1st century, why would we think that as we explore this change, we would reach absolute understanding in only a few decades?” 

  • “Rather than codification, exploration was (and is) needed”. 
  • “A new language  could and should be developed that could effectively communicate our experience of God’s presence”. 
  • “Those who do have a vision for the Kingdom of God need to sit down at the table where tomorrow’s society’s are being framed”. 
  • “…interact with the secular mind and try to find ways to reach a more integrative approach to the Gospel and cultures…problem solving of some of the thornier issues in our world, not the least of which is the troubled Middle East…” 
  • “What should an agenda for this decade look like? What should be on the top of our list in terms of Biblical renewal, based on fulfilled prophecy?
    – Books, Conferences, curriculum. Communications/programs, instutute, area teams, council, associates, think tank, chairs 

2002 – Annual Conference

  • Comprehensive Grace (Tim King)
  • Creative Eschatology (Kevin Beck)
  • Pattern of Biblical Transformation (Jay Gary)

“Archonology (beginning, the study of) is the study of 1st things in light of the New Jerusalem (Eph. 3:21). The use of the word ‘archon’ or ‘origin’ is best found in Revelation 22:13…cf. 2 Corinthians 5:17; Revelation 3:14; and Colossians 1:16-17)”….”Eschatology deals with the end of Israel’s story; archonology deals with the beginning of the human story as redeemed in Christ”. 


“Since 1998, Max has been working on a massive treatment from the Book of Romans, focusing on chapters 9-11.”…”After ‘living’ with the Apostle for years, Max’s conviction was that Paul, witting the Book of Romans circa 63 AD, was expecting that All Israel would be saved, and that this would be broader than some might be comfortable with believing, given their traditional roots. Following God’s judgement in AD 70, Paul felt that Good would unilaterally extend his mercy to Israel (and the nations), much the same way Paul experienced it on the Damascus Road”. 

For years since I embraced Full Preterism (back in 2010) I have heard that it could potentially lead you to embrace Universalism. It had been said again and again, but never confirmed, that Max King, after all his study, had become a universalist. A visit to Presence.tv does demonstrate a different direction of learning, much more a highlighting of contemporary thought and philosophy than focus on Bible prophecy. Also, the book mentioned above was finally published a few years ago. I have not yet read ‘Irrevocable: Paul’s Radical Vision in Romans 9-11, And Why Christianity Cannot Handle It’, however you can purchase your copy at the following link, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZH43CCH/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

Well, the book, Give Me This Mountain, sure covered a lot. However, as I hope this blog demonstrates, that and this is just the beginning. I loved Tim’s response to the oft-asked question regarding Preterism, “Why hasn’t Christianity embraced it?” Tim response, “What is keeping you from embracing all that God has for you?”…”You and I are not responsible for what the Church doesn’t do with what it doesn’t know. We are, however, responsible for what we have seen with our own eyes, from the pages of Scripture. Each servant must give an account to his master”. 

As was noted in the preface about Max King, “another mountain man who was not content to live on the plains, but was compelled to take the high ground.” I hope this has stirred you to do the same. Tim mentions the following 4 principles to ‘mountain-dwellers’: 

  • Develop a heart of worship (John 4:23; Heb. 12:22; Eph 5:19; Psalm 100)
  • Cultivate the mind of Christ (1 Cor. 2:12, 15-16; 1 Cor 1:22; Hebrews 5:13)
  • Sharpen your life purpose (Acts 13:26; 2 Samuel 7:13) 
  • Build a team that lasts 

Conclusion 

I must conclude this study and review by marking out how encouraged and blessed I am by the unwavering conviction of Max King and men/women who have blazed the trails of advancing Covenant Eschatology before me. Truly standing on the shoulders of giants. Reading through, Give Me This Mountain’, continued my passion for learning about and advancing the roots, fruits, and progress of Preterism (something that will continue to be done on our Thursday night program – Preterist Power Hour). Also, it brings value to the history of our movement and our efforts when we continually review past efforts, teachings, debates, etc…so may we see that all the more. Lastly, I totally appreciate the desire to be more inclusive of the Body of Christ than many denominations allow, however being that I am not a Universalist, but rather believe that Bible prophecy was fulfilled to further demonstrate the who and the what of God’s elect, therefore I urge us toward a Biblical exclusive, inclusivity (i.e., the Church). 

This review was written by Michael Miano 

Get your copy of Give Me This Mountain at, https://www.amazon.com/Give-Me-This-Mountain-Ministries/dp/0964138883/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Also, to learn more about the current day activities of Presence Ministries, visit www.presence.tv 

Israel – Palestine & Efforts of Peace

As we consider the current crisis in Israel – Palestine, I praise God for the knowledge I have gained as a short-term delegate to the West Bank with the Christian Peacemaker Teams (back in 2010) and my understanding of Fulfilled eschatology. I ponder the wisdom shared in ‘Give Me This Mountain’ by Tim King, wherein he said, he spoke about the truth of Fulfilled Eschatology, “It opens the door to the problem solving of some of the thornier issues in our world, not least of which is the troubled Middle East. Sadly, the old eschatology fails to grasp the cultural edge in this present world crisis and still wants to champion a false kind of nationalism in Israel that undercuts the redemptive features of the Gospel. We would do well to return to John 4 and enter into the discussion with Jesus and the Samaritan woman about ‘this mountain’ and ‘Jerusalem’, for there we hear the Lord declare ‘neither here nor there’, but ‘in Spirit’ do we find true worship. That statement is both politically and eschatologically revealing”. 

That being so, I want to offer the following resources that I have been blessed to offer and learn of regarding efforts of peace happening in the Middle East. 

1.) I recorded my journey through notes, journaling, and pictures as I served as a short-term delegate to Israel – Palestine in 2010. You can read all of that at the following link, http://riskybusinessforchrist.weebly.com/

2.) Back in 2015, I did a short interview regarding my visit to “the Bible lands”. You can watch that interview at the following link, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXsBcvG_W_U

3.) More recently, in 2019, we had Bob and Kathryn Carlton visit with us at The Blue Point Bible Church and share about their efforts and film, Peacemakers, which “brings a message of hope in the midst of the seemingly intractable conflict between Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs. The power of the gospel to transform lives through forgiveness and reconciliation is communicated by powerful personal stories of Jewish and Arab followers of Jesus.”. Learn more about their efforts and the documentary at the following link, https://www.peacemakersfilm.org/

Prayerfully these resources will bless and edify, as well as further efforts of peace in the Middle East. 

By His everlasting power & mercy, 

Michael Miano

Pastor, The Blue Point Bible Church (www.bluepointbiblechurch.org
Director, The Power of Preterism Network (www.powerofpreterism.com

Studying Through The Final Decade Before The End (Book)

We have been studying through Ed Steven’s book, The Final Decade Before The End, for a couple months now at The Blue Point Bible Church (we currently find ourselves around the A.D. 63 mark in history). We have learned about and talked through the development of the Biblical canon, the missionary activity of the Apostles, the historical context of John’s Revelation to the 7 churches of Asia Minor, and so much more. This blog will serve as a sort of update for our Bible study group, but I also imagine it will stimulate interest from others as well. 

I had written a blog review of The Final Decade Before The End back in 2015. You can read that review at the following link, https://powerofpreterism.wordpress.com/2015/10/07/book-review-final-decade-before-the-end-by-mr-ed-stevens/

As I mentioned above, a few weeks ago we read and studied through the historical context of the Book of Revelation. In that study I had mentioned two resources, one (1) being a sermon I had preached regarding ‘The Apocalyptic Details of Revelation chapters 11-12’, and the other (2) a commentary on Revelation 11 from Daniel Morais at Revelation Revolution. You will find both of those resource links below: 

(1) – https://www.buzzsprout.com/11630/318731

(2) – https://www.revelationrevolution.org/revelation-11-a-preterist-commentary-who-are-the-two-witnesses/


I read through the Spring 2020 edition of Fulfilled! Magazine and was delighted to see a summary from Ed Stevens regarding his book. I took pictures of the chart outline regarding the final decade that he offered. You can view those here. 

Also, I emailed Ed Stevens to request some of the PDF’s he mentioned in the book regarding Ephesians (and he included some regarding Hebrews), which you can find attached to those post below. 

Lastly, we assign homework every week as we leave our Saturday Morning Bible Study. This week’s homework was to read pages 113-116 of The Final Decade Before The End, and also read in their entirety in one sitting, at least two of the following prison epistles – Ephesians, Colossians, Philemon, and/or Philippians. I imagine the last part of the homework will be a fruitful exercise for anyone, regardless to whether they are reading through Ed Stevens book or not. 

Ed Steven’s has a podcast that goes through a lot of the historical details mentioned in the aforementioned book, visit the following link to listen to those podcasts, https://www.buzzsprout.com/11633

And of course, get your copy of The Final Decade Before The End at the following link, https://www.preterist.org/products/final-decade-before-the-end-print-edition/

Blessings, 
Pastor Michael Miano
The Blue Point Bible Church
www.bluepointbiblechurch.org 

Preterist Power Hour – Spring Feasts Convo w/Guests

Last Thursday, February 18th, 2021 – Dr. Don K. Preston of the Preterist Research Institute (www.eschatology.org), as well as Elvin Israel and Monster Boss of Resurrection Prophecy Kingdom (www.facebook.com/Resurrection.Prophecy.Kingdom), were guests on the Preterist Power Hour. Michael Miano and Edward Howell, the weekly hosts, have been reviewing the Feasts of the Lord, most specifically, the Spring Feasts, and in that regard had their guests share thoughts and respond to some questions. You can review that session at the following link, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lbe2y80fio&t=728s

Dr. Preston shared that Passover marks the beginning the of the calendar, “new beginnings”, and points to the final feast, Sukkoth, which marks the climate of the festival harvest. He further remarked that when understanding the feasts, “initiation anticipates consummation”. For example, when we properly understand how and to what end Christ fulfilled the Spring feasts, we can properly discern how the fulfillments of the Fall feasts were fulfilled. Elvin Israel went on to bring up the importance of the “firstfruit concept” when understanding the feasts and the their fulfillments, which Dr. Preston continued to expound upon. Edward Howell brought up details regarding the Passover, specifically the ‘afikomen’ (which means ‘that which will come after’), and quite a bit of conversation was shared in that regard, namely how Passover emphasized the importance of what sufferings God has delivered His people from. Also, the article, A Spiritually-Discerned Passover, written by Michael Miano was mentioned. You can read and review that blog at the following link, https://mianogonewild.wordpress.com/2020/04/10/the-spiritually-discerned-passover/


Both Dr. Preston and Elvin Israel mentioned some great points and topics that could have been the focus on the entire show. We do indeed hope that some of those topics and further shows will come to fruition. For example, Dr. Preston mentioned that “The entire festal calendar is seen in the fulfilment of Daniel’s 70 weeks”. Surely, taking a look at the feasts of the Lord and Daniel chapter 9 is a study on the horizon. Dr. Preston also mentioned seeing the significance of the feasts in the book of Joel, as well as the Gospel of John. Elvin Israel talked a bit about Philo and his discernment regarding the Feast of Unleavened Bread, piquing our curiosity a bit. As was mentioned, Elvin has been going through a teaching series on the feasts of the Lord as well. You can watch some of those teachings at the following links:


Passover – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uPqQZ7pDzU&t=2s

Passover – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JpHLaID8pk

Unleavened Bread – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnP9ujKQUhw

Both Dr. Preston and Elvin Israel mentioned being in the midst of currently writing books. Michael Miano is also in the midst of writing a book. Keep your eye on these men and their ministries thereby allowing yourself the opportunity to be edified. Of course, continue to tune in to the Preterist Power Hour each Thursday night at 6:30pm est.


Lastly, be sure to continually being reviewing our ongoing resource list regarding the Feasts of the Lord at following link on The Power of Preterism Network’s blog, https://powerofpreterism.wordpress.com/2020/11/12/feasts-of-the-lord-an-ongoing-resource/

For His glory & through His power,

Michael MianoDirector, TPPN