Responding to “Unanswered Challenges to FP”.

Recently, Mr. William Vincent, an opponent of Full Preterist thought, posted what he posited as “Unanswered challenges to Full Preterism”. I will assert that much of what he challenged was either based upon problems drawn up by his own presuppositions (or) have indeed been responded to before. I believe I make that clear in my response to his questions below. As I said years ago, “Full Preterism has answers”.


1.) Why does the ascension not play any role in any of the imminent expectations of the Gospels?
Not quite sure I understand this question. The “end of the age” was imminent as demonstrated through time-statements all throughout the Gospels. Part and parcel of the “end of the age” is not only the ‘sign of Jonah’ to that generation (cf. Matthew 12:40) but also the fulfillment of all that was written (i.e., the hope of Israel) (cf. Luke 21:22). In order for the “hope of Israel” to be fulfilled, the Messiah would have to die, ascend, come in glory, and resurrect the dead ones – all of this is explained throughout the epistles, but unfortunately many “ignorant and unstable” people distorted and continue to distort those things (cf. 2 Peter 3:16).

2.) What would 70AD have added to the already glorified Son of Man that He did not already receive in His glorification?
In putting together the framework of fulfilled Bible prophecy it is vital to understand the “already but not yet” progression of events that happened in the first century. When Christ ascended in Acts 1:9-11 it was promised that He could come in the same manner He left (“hidden in the clouds” – which also correlates with what Christ said in Luke 17:20 about the Kingdom not coming with observation). The Parousia of Christ in AD 70 was the inauguration of the Kingdom.
It’s not what did AD 70 add to the Son of Man, but rather, in His coming in AD 70 what did the Son of Man supply to those who eagerly awaited Him? Faithfulness to His Word (cf. Matthew 16:27-28), complete salvation (Hebrews 9:28), and most notable, His demonstrated presence in and through His saints (His Temple) – which was the goal of prophecy (cf. Colossians 1:27). That also explains why the saints proclaimed “His death” until He would come (cf. 1 Corinthians 11:26 ), now we declare His life in and through us.


3.) Why was the Kingdom already preached as a reality before 70AD, if the point of 70AD is initiating the Kingdom?
As I mentioned in response to the last question, in putting together the framework of fulfilled Bible prophecy it is vital to understand the “already but not yet” progression of events that happened in the first century. Yes, Jesus Christ said the Kingdom was “at hand” and was in the midst of the people of God prior to AD 70 (cf. Matthew 3:2; Luke 17:21). However, even the Futurist, or especially the Futurist acknowledges that there is more to come (obviously to fulfill the details of the “end times”). Just like understanding the progressive effect of salvation and God’s presence, so it is the same with the Kingdom, and more and more was revealed as the “jots and the tittles” of the Old Covenant, or “all things that were written” were finding their fulfillment.

The real problem is that the Futurist has sought to stretch the progressive fulfillment of these prophecies, the “already but not yet” to be more than 2,000 years. The Preterist asserts that the things which were “not yet” would find their fulfilment within the generation of some of those who were alive at the time of Christ’s earthly existence (cf. Matthew 16:27-28; Matthew 24:34).

Here are two links by popular Full Preterist teachers, Ward Fenley, and Mike Sullivan, regarding “the already but not yet” and the “inauguration of the Kingdom” in AD 70.
4.) Why were Christians already “raised with Christ” spiritually before 70AD, if the resurrection itself was only being raised spiritually? (Also what did 70AD have to do with this?)
In Colossians 3:1, we read “you then being risen with Christ”, which demonstrates that the living saints could experience ‘resurrection power’ before AD 70 (not only did Jesus say this in John 11:25-26, the Apostle John writes in in 1 John 3:14, and said power as the church’s reality is explained by the Apostle Paul in Ephesians chapter 1). Simply put, the living saints could experience the “synergio Christos” by living in faith. But…the “hope of Israel” made known through the Law and the Prophets highlight that generations before the first century would experience “resurrection” as well – this is what the writer of Hebrews is getting at in Hebrews 11:39-40. Neither the living saints of the 1st century or those who had “fallen asleep in Christ” would experience the fulness of salvation until the dead ones were raised.
The “resurrection of the dead” is different than “being raised with Christ”. The “anastasis nekroi” is the standing again of the dead ones, and demonstrated the promise of fulfillment being extended to the Old Covenant saints – those who could not put their faith in Christ in the 1st century. This “standing again” would take place at the coming of the Lord and the destruction of the Temple (cf. Daniel chapter 12 and 1 Corinthians chapter 15).

I had participated in a public discussion with Ed Stevens, a Full Preterist who disagrees with what has come to be known as the “Corporate Body View”. In that debate I explained and demonstrated the “change” spoken of in 1 Corinthians 15:51. You can view that debate at the following link,
5.) Why did Christ promised to be mystically with the Church and never leave her, if he would not return mystically to her until 70AD? (Also what did 70AD have to do with that?)
This is a rather confusing question and reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of the ‘telos’/ the goal of the Biblical narrative. God was “mystically” (to borrow the term Mr. Vincent used) present with Old Covenant Israel in the cloud and fire (and later the Ark of the Covenant) and that was based upon their obedience to the Law of Moses. The Old Testament reveals this is problematic, as innate wickedness continually led Israel into disobedience. But God promised….Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, comes to do to the work of fulfillment of the Law and thus rendering it obsolete as the standard of God’s presence (cf. Matthew 5:17-18; Hebrews 8:10). Thus removing “the death” that plagued the people of God by the work of Jesus Christ.

All of that said, Jesus Christ came in the flesh to fulfill necessary aspects of sacrifice, raised in glory to demonstrate His being the power of God (which is what is meant by “seated at the right hand of God”) and thus provided the Church with the Holy Spirit to discern the things of the Spirit, and then came in glory to have His life in His Body, the Church (much of this seems to be demonstrated in John chapter 14). The destruction of the Temple and the city of Jerusalem in AD 70 demonstrated the truth and faithfulness of God through Jesus Christ (this is the very basics of Full Preterism). It demonstrated where God’s presence was to be found. Even the 1st century Jewish historian, Josephus, took note that the burning of the Temple and the signs that followed, were representative of God’s presence departing that Temple and system (“Heaven and Earth”).

A beautiful resource regarding the contemporary application of what God “mystically” did for the saints, the “change of mind” (Gr. Word alasso used in 1 Corinthians 15:51) that was provided, can be found at the following link titled, “Remember Pella”,
6.) Why is Christ shown as “in the midst” of the Seven Churches at the opening of the Revelation, if the Revelation is about 70AD and Christ was to only ever be present mystically; and this at 70AD?
Another confusing question which demonstrates Mr. Vincent’s presuppositional desire to impose a different presence of Christ upon the nature of fulfillment. In the beginning chapters of the Book of Revelation we read a vision given to the Apostle John regarding Christ’s declaration to the 7 Churches of Asia Minor (cf. Revelation 1:9 -11, 13, and so on…). The details of Revelation are about things which were, things which are, and things which will come, which again makes it necessary to understand the “already but not yet” of Christ’s presence with His people through the fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Not even the Futurist denies this progressive demonstration of Christ’s presence with His people through the fulfillment of Bible prophecy.
In AD 70, the “end of the age” (cf. Matthew 24:3), the details of Revelation chapters 21-22 were fulfilled in that the fullness of the New Covenant was revealed (the “New Jerusalem” of Revelation 21:2 and Galatians 4:23-26), God’s presence and tabernacling among His people was demonstrated (cf. Revelation 21:3), and the “burning up” of the Temple (or the “elements” as Peter mentioned in 2 Peter 3:10) gave evidence to the crying, mourning, and death revealed through the “old order of things” had passed away (cf. Revelation 21:4).


7.) In other words, if every single aspect that FPs allow about the return of Christ and resurrection was a reality BEFORE 70AD, then how did 70AD add anything to that and why were the Apostles yet preaching that Christ would return from heaven at the restitution of all things?
Mr. Vincent’s use of “In other words” demonstrates that all of his other questions, which I believe I have sufficiently and Scripturally responded to, led up to the point of what does AD 70 add. As I explained through the various responses I gave that Mr. Vincent fails to grasp the progressive nature of fulfillment being demonstrated through the “already but not yet”. Author and Bible teacher Tony Denton mentions the concept of “prolepsis” as necessary to understand the fulfillment of Bible prophecy and the things of salvation, the Kingdom, and God’s presence. The book of Proverbs mentions the blessing of “a hope fulfilled”, which is what the Preterist asserts happened in AD 70 at the coming of the Lord Jesus, it says it is a “tree of life” (cf. Proverbs 13:12). It offers eternal life. That is demonstrated through a life that has moved from “hoping to having” as author Glenn Hill has mentioned. Point being? This question has been responded to again and again in the Full Preterist community.

Zion’s Fire & Revelation 14

Recently, in a ‘prove all things’ manner, I decided to pick up an issue of Zion’s Fire (I am in extreme disagreement with the premillennial dispensationalism that is fostered by said magazine yet in continues to show up in my mailbox due to BPBC’s previous support). I read through the July – August 2019 issue, namely the article highlighted on the cover, ‘The Lamb, The 144,000, and the Harvest (Rev 14)’. What I’d like to do in this blog is just examine some of the points made in the article and then reference you to my Revelation chapter 14 lecture and teaching outline.

The Zion’s Fire article was written by the Rosenthal brothers. They remarked, “The 144,000 are spoken of as virgins in a spiritual sense (Revelation 2:14, 20-22; 17:2, 4; 18:3). They did not commit fornication during the Great Tribulation by embracing the Antichrist, taking his mark, and giving him their loyalty and affection”.

Cf. The virgin reference found in Revelation 14:4 pertains to spiritual fornication. The Church being the antithesis of the unfaithful Israel of the Old Covenant (see, Matthew 15:1-13; 2 Corinthians 11:2; and Ephesians 5:32). The number 144,000 is understood through the relevance of Hebrew gematria (alphabet mathematics) that was commonplace to 1st century Jews. The 144,000 represents 12 x 12 (Old Covenant Elect/ New Covenant Elect) x 1000 (beyond man’s comprehension). All the numbers used represent completeness. God would surely save those who were His during the time of ‘Great Tribulation’, which contrary to the Zion’s Fire futurism, I would assert these details have been fulfilled in the 1st century just as the time-statements in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 demonstrate for us. The Antichrist and mark of the beast were the calamitous issues that came against the first century Christian church, namely through the Jewish Priesthood and Roman authorities. The Christian Church/ Elect going through the ‘Great Tribulation’ was to persevere and not fall victim to idolatry in seeking Roman/Jewish comfort rather than be steadfast in their devotion to Christ. Do fall away, back into either idolatry of the Old Covenant or pagan idolatry of the Roman Empire was fornication. But those days were cut short, just as Christ said they would be…see, Matthew 24:22.

“These are the redeemed among men, being the first-fruits unto God and to the Lamb”. If this expression means anything at all, and it certainly does, it means this: There will be more to follow. The 144,000, as wonderful as they are, are only the first fruits. They are just the beginning”.
Cf. The Rosenthal’s were right in noting the use of ‘first fruit language’ in Revelation chapter 14 and I love how they note that this means “there are more to follow”. The 144,000-language coupled with first fruits demonstrates the salvation of the elect Jews and Gentiles (see, Romans 1:16-17). There is no doubt a Hebrew exclusivity that is demonstrated throughout the Scriptures. I have explained this is a few other blogs, however I will share a link to follow in which I not only talked about ‘Hebrew exclusivity’, but also the details pertain to the ‘Great Tribulation’ being talked about in the Scriptures. Here is the link,

“The blessed man of Psalm 1 is the man who has life. He is like a tree planted by the rivers of water – his leaves will not wither and whosoever he does shall prosper. The expression, “Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord” could literally be expressed this way: “alive are the dead who died as martyrs for the Lord”. What an amazing paradox!”.

Cf. While I agree with the sentiment that the Rosenthal’s are highlighted herein, I believe there is more to the proclamation “…from now on” as found in Revelation 14:13 that just that eternal life is found in Christ. Rather, I would assert that due to the fulfillment of the details of Revelation chapter 14, the destruction of Babylon (Old Covenant Jerusalem) and the salvation of the Elect in that generation, the dead who died after that were blessed – a demonstration of the effect of fulfilled Bible prophecy (i.e.., Full Preterism).

As I mentioned at the beginning, I have previously taught on this topic. I was supposed to present these details at the 2018 Spirit & Life Lectureship in Southaven, Michigan, which bad weather prevented. However, I provided a podcasted sermon and an outline for your edification. Here is the link to both of those resources,

Lastly, I have heard that the brothers who lectured at the aforementioned conference are working on putting together a written and outlined commentary on the Book of Revelation, in which my full notes will be provided for Revelation chapter 14.

Provoking a Zeal For His Truth,
Michael Miano, pastor
The Blue Point Bible Church

Review of PPW 2019 (Preterist Pilgrim Weekend)

Recently the 15th Annual Preterist Pilgrim Weekend occurred in Ardmore, Oklahoma. Dr. Don K. Preston of Preterist Research Institute ( was the host and the theme was ‘How We Know We are Not in the Last Days’. At the beginning of the conference Dr. Preston mentioned our goal being to gain a better understanding of “God’s heart, God’s mind, and God’s will”, and that seemed to be expressed well all throughout the conference.

What I will do below is list the various speakers and summarize some notes I had taken during the conference. Also, I will include links for the messages presented by each speaker.


 Kyle Elliot – preached two messages entitled “A Priest Forever”, wherein he sought to demonstrate how Psalm 110 is used in the argument of the book of Hebrews. Kyle stated this is a text that demonstrates God establishing the throne of His Kingship. In highlighting the “last days framework” and correlation to Psalm 110, Kyle mentioned quite a few texts and the necessity of understanding literary structures in the text (mentioning chiasm’s and forward symmetry as being seen in Psalm 110). So many good details were mentioned that I made a notation to ask Kyle for his PowerPoints.

In talk through Psalm 110, Kyle mentioned that in verse 1, “Victory frames the entire Psalm”.  In talking through verse 6, and the “judgement language” used, Kyle mentioned the “gospel of destruction) (of which Dr. Preston has been doing a video series on YouTube about). We see in Psalm 2:4-9, that “The Father issues judgement, the Son exacts judgement”. “The day” of Ps. 110:3-5 correlates to Revelation 6:12-14. Also, cross-reference Psalm 110:4 with Hebrews 7:1-3 to better see how “Psalm 110 is the salvation story in epitome”.

“From every ‘angle’, Ps. 110 is Messianic and emphasizes the victory of the priest-king over His enemies at the Day of His power and the confirmation of His reign and priesthood. The Day of power and wrath secures His reign and priesthood, it does not end it”.


Dr. Don K. Preston preached two messages properly “Identifying the Last Days”. He talked a bit about the phrase “Christian age” and charged that when rightly understanding the “last days” as the end of the Old Covenant, we can realize that the “Christian age” (what would be Scripturally identified as the “Age to Come”) has no end. He further highlighted, “If we are not in the last days, there is no future last day”. He also further stated, “Christ’s New Covenant will never go out of business”. Citing 2 Peter 3 and Deuteronomy 32, Dr. Preston challenged us to search those texts and discern two questions, 1 – Where is the promise of His coming? 2 – What were the last days?

Don went on exegete Deuteronomy 31-32 (and highlight how it correlates to 2 Peter 3) making the following notations:
Deut. 30:29; 32:20, 28 – last days
Deut. 32:21-22 – fire, destruction of the earth
Deut. 32:34 – 35 – judgement of the ungodly
Deut. 32:43 – vindication of the martyrs
“you shall remind them of this song” cf. Deut. 31:19; Psalm 102:18


Rod MacArthur preached two messages with the following titles, “Joel’s Last Days Didn’t Last Past Peter” (highlighting fulfilled prophecy in the book of Joel) and “Daniel’s ‘Last Days’ Came to an End Long Ago” (highlighting fulfilled prophecy in the book of Daniel). Starting at the first mention of “last days” in Genesis 49:1, Rod took us through a few other texts as well – Numbers 24:14-19; Deuteronomy 32:20, 29, 35-36, 43, and Joel 3:12-13. He highlighted the goal of the covenant is to enable the people of God to “walk with Him” as they did in Eden (cf. Leviticus 26:12-13; Genesis 3:8).

Rod went on to detail that the “day of the locusts” mentioned in Joel 2:1-2 is the “Day of Yahweh”, and we must understand the “this is that” of Acts 2:16 and how it cites Joel 2:28-32 as the current reality in that day. In that generation we saw the 2nd Exodus take place with wonders and blood. The two responses that came from all of this were 1 – what does this mean? 2 – these men are just drunk. Those who properly discerned the event asked, “What shall we do?” and they repented, committed to Jesus and were saved from that corrupt generation.

  • The last days pertained to Israel’s history
  • The curses pointed to a terminal generation
  • Joel commented on the current curse in his day and prophesied the day was coming.
  • Peter said “This is it”.


Daniel Rogers preached two messages detailed “The Sermon on the Mount and the Last Days”. In highlighting the nature of the Kingdom, Daniel took us to Isaiah chapter 2 and Daniel chapter 2. He then set up the stage for us to understand the 1st century scene and what it would have been like being a Jew waiting for deliverance from Roman oppression. Questions that would have been on the mind would be, “When will the Lord deliver us from Rome?”, “Did God forget His promise to David?”, “What about the promises to Abraham?”, and “Where is God?”.

Daniel went on the demonstrate how the Gospel According to Matthew is responding to those questions. Matthew 1:1 cites Jesus as the “son of David, Son of Abraham”, Matthew 1:23 refers to Jesus Christ as “Immanuel”, which means “God with us”. In Matthew chapter 2 we see that Jesus is the prophesied “prophet like Moses” who would appear to bring the people through the greater exodus. In Matthew chapter 3 we read about John the Baptist telling that generation of Jews to come to repentance. In Matthew chapter 5 , we read the Beatitudes of Jesus Christ and His Kingdom, however it is important to know that Rome would have had their own version, almost the opposite to everything Jesus Christ said. Daniel went on the lament the “empire version of Christianity” that has dominated in our current day. “Christianity is not about saying, it is about doing”.

After highlighting the nature of God’s Kingdom, how things were fulfilled, Daniel went on to detail ways we can live in fulfillment. He made the following points regarding the peace of God versus the peace of the world;

Peace of God surpasses understand (Phil. 4:7); peace of the world is conventional
Peace of God makes us fools to the world (1 Cor. 1:18); peace of the world makes one “wise” to the world
Peace of God comes through knowledge of God (John 17:3); peace of world comes through bombs and military victory,

In his second message, Daniel made note of 4 levels of interpreting the Bible – literal, deeper, comprehensive, and mystery. He noted in understanding the Biblical narrative that, “Israel was not chosen to the exclusion of the world but to the entire world’s inclusion (cf. Genesis 12)”. He further noted that only through Jesus Christ can one see the true intention of the Law (cf. 2 Corinthians 3).

You can view both of Daniel’s lectures at the following links,


Obviously I didn’t take any notes on the two messages I (Michael Miano) delivered. I preached a message from Matthew 5:17-18 titled, “Old Covenant Details and the Last Days”, as well as a message on Hebrews 9:28 – “Salvation Now, Last Days Past”. Here are the links for those messages;


Dr. William Bell presented a two part message with the title “The Hour of Glory”. He said, “The hour of glory connects the New Testament inseparably and incontrovertibly to the book of Daniel”. Daniel is the only Old Testament book that uses the phrase “eternal life”. William went on to demonstrate the correlations between John chapter 5 and chapter 12. (I have included a picture of his chart in the pictures below). William also demonstrated the correlations in Daniel to the intertestamental books.


Garrett Cradduck’s memorized recitation of the book of Hebrews was beautiful. I appreciated that he started it out with a challenge for the each of us, as he said, “The Lord has blessed us with time and tools that no one had before”. Go ahead and give your full attention to his deliverance of the Book of Hebrews at the following link,


PPW 2019 – Schedule & Livestream

PPW 2019

15th Annual
Preterist Pilgrim Weekend 2019

How We Know We are Not in the Last Days!

July 11, 2019 (Thursday evening)

5:45-6:45p – Registration
6:45-7:00p – Dr. Don K. Preston -Opening remarks & introductions
7:15-8:00p – Kyle Elliott– A Priest Forever: Hebrews as a Commentary on Psalms 110 – Part 1
8:15-9:00p – Dr. Don K. Preston- The Song of the Last Days- Part 1

July 12, 2019 (Friday morning)

8:30-9:15a – Rod MacArthur-Joel’s “Last Days’ Didn’t Last Past Peter
9:30-10:15a – Daniel Rogers- The Sermon on the Mount and the Last Days- Part 1
10:30-11:15a – Dr. William Bell- TBD
11:30- 1:00p – Lunch (several great restaurants in the area, check your packets)

July 12, 2019 (Friday afternoon & evening)

1:00-1:45p – Michael Miano – The Last Days and Old Covenant Details (Matt. 5:16-18)
2:00-2:45p – Kyle Elliott– A Priest Forever: Hebrews as a Commentary on Psalms 110 – Part 2
3:00-3:45p – Dr. William Bell- TBD
4:00-4:45p- Rod MacArthur-Daniel’s “Last Days” Came to an End Long Ago
5:30-6:45p – Catered Dinner
6:45-7:00p – Dr. Don K. Preston -Opening remarks & introductions
7:00- 8:30p — Garrett Cradduck- Hebrews

July 13, 2019 (Saturday morning)

8:30-9:15a – Daniel Rogers- The Sermon on the Mount and the Last Days- Part 2
9:30- 10:15a – Michael Miano- Salvation Now, Last Days Past (Hebrews 9:28)
10:30-11:15a- Dr. Don K. Preston- The Song of the Last Days- Part 2
11:30-12:15p – Q & A Session
12:15-12:30p – Closing remarks & wrap-up (Dr. Don K. Preston)

6/24/2019 – TPPN Update

Blessings in our Lord,

It has been quite some time since I sent out an update through The Power of Preterism Network. Please do not think that it because we are apathetic about the power of this amazing truth or that nothing is going on because it is exactly the opposite. I’d like to provide some resources that have been compiled through recent happenings and also provide some announcements regarding upcoming events and opportunities for all of us to be edified.

In May 2019 we had our 6th Annual Bible Conference at The Blue Point Bible Church. Yet again another year of being blessed by insightful speakers, great fellowship, and videos for online edification. Our theme this year was examining “What’s Next?” in regards to the Preterist Movement. Here is a review and compilation of the videos,

In June 2019, Mr. Ward Fenley of New Creation Ministries International (NCMI) held the Christ and The Kingdom in Psalms and Proverbs Conference in Temecula, California. Speakers included Mrs. Kari Birks, Pastor Tony Gallop, Mr. Todd Williams, Pastor Michael Miano, and others. You can read a written view and access the video teachings at the following link,


It really is exciting that almost every month there is a conference happening somewhere in the United States regarding the truth, power, and progress of Full Preterism. Consider your attending and/or tuning it to the following up conferences;

This upcoming July 11th-13th, 2019 in Ardmore, Oklahoma, Dr. Don K. Preston will be hosting his annual Preterist Pilgrim weekend. To Register and read the schedule of listed speakers visit the following link,

The 4th Annual Spirit & Life Lectureships is happening August 1st – 4th in Ludington, Michigan. Various speakers and topics will be covered. Visit the following link for more information (and/or see the graphic provided below),

We are still waiting on information from Dr. William Bell from All Things Fulfilled ( regarding a 2019 Memphis Eschatology Conference. The conference has been scheduled in the month of October in the past and includes various speakers. More information being sought and will be provided soon.


The Power of Preterism Network ( is a brainstorming and information vessel to highlight the power and progress of Full Preterism growing in the Christian Church. These efforts include but are not limited to the following ministries;

#TeamPRETERIST is an evangelistic unifying effort within the Preterist Movement brainstorming the strategic advancement of the Preterist truth. Through “boots on the ground” and various online efforts we seek to see minds challenged, educated, and discipled as those elect living in the fulfilled eschaton. There is a #TeamPRETERIST Facebook group that fosters much of these efforts.

The Preterist Pastors/Preachers Network (TPPN) provides oversight, encouragement, equipping the saints, and empowerment through a network of Preterist preachers. Through monthly phone conferences, maintaining a blog ( , church planting, and more.

ReformationNOW in an effort of encouraging monthly fellowships with ministry leaders regarding reformation in the body of Christ all throughout the United States. This can be done through conferences, luncheons, book studies, etc. among those who feel burdened to keep the “ever-reforming” attitude alive within the Christian Church and create a base of unity all the while growing in the grace and knowledge of God.

Much of these efforts just mentioned, as promoted through The Power of Preterism Network, are currently being updated. However the future looks bright, promising, edifying, and God-glorifying. Stay tuned to

For His Glory & By His Grace,
Michael Miano
Director, TPPN

Christ & The Kingdom in Psalms & Proverbs (2019 NCMI Conference)

NCMI Conference SpeakersLast week, New Creation Ministries International (NCMI) hosted a conference focused on “Christ and the Kingdom in Psalms and Proverbs” in Temecula, California. Mr. Ward Fenley, was the host speaker and there was a variety of other speakers such as Mrs. Kari Birks, Pastor Tony Gallop, Mr. Todd Williams, Pastor Michael Miano, Pastor Steve Salomon, and Ms. Wendy Birks. A blessed and insightful time it was.

In this blog, I desire to not only share links and pictures to help you be blessed and edified, but also to share some of the notes I took during the conference.


TODD WILLIAMS, Ps. 102; 22; 89; 145
(A New People) –

Kingdom – a realm associated with or regarded as being under the control of a particular person or thing. We are discussing the reign or authority of God. A reign that knows “no end” (cf. Luke 1:33; Ephesians 3:21). A king or kingdom must have servants.

Our kingdom talk is about the house-temple-kingdom of God and its transition from old to new. When we study through the transitions we find an old and new – temple, stones, city, Jerusalem, and mountain. “One promised life, one is life; one came with observation, one comes without”.

Psalm 102:18; Psalm 22:30-31; Psalm 89:3-4; Psalm 102:28

Old = Exodus 19:6   New = 1 Peter 2:19
Psalm 90 declares the Lord is our dwelling place.


WARD FENLEY, Ps. 69 (Pt. 1)
(The Thoughts of Jesus in the Psalms) –

Two cautions – be aware of the “unfulfilled Kingdom approach” when reading Scriptures and keeping us waiting or expecting things we already have (ex., praying the Lord’s Prayer) and the approach of discarding things that have been provided for us in the Kingdom (ex., “Israel-Only view).

Social action needs sound theology.

The goal of our theology: joy, gratitude, developing a heart of study, to love more

Thy Kingdom came – Matthew 3:2; 4:17; Colossians 1:13

Luke 24:25-27, 44-17 – “God has the best hermeneutics”; “God is a God who reveals”.

Romans 15:8-12; Acts 13:32-35

When we examine Psalms we are looking for who He is and what He does.  In relation to the anticipated Kingdom:
– Pharasaic motifs (wicked, enemies)
– Kingdom prophetic elements and motifs
– Tongues motifs
– The humanity of Christ (“We must acknowledge Christ’s humanity to better express His kingdom on earth”)

Psalm 69 (and other correlating Psalms) – Ward mentioned “reading with a new paradigm”.
v. 4 cf. John 15:25
v. 21 cf. Matthew 27:34
v. 22-23 cf. Romans 11:9-10
cf. Jeremiah 30:9; Ezekiel 34:23-24

“We are in a beautiful place (Kingdom of God), but it doesn’t always feel like it”.


TONY GALLOP, Ps. 63 (Pt. 1)

We must discern “things that are seen” (types and shadows) with things that are “not seen” (Spiritual).
Proverbs 2 – “searching for Wisdom”; “Through our searching He reveals Wisdom to us”.

Romans 1:18; 2 Corinthians 4:8 – We learn and discern and “covenant creation”; the Scriptures detail the beginning and the end of the Old Covenant tabernacle system; the Levitical priesthood to be a type and shadow of Christ in us.

Psalm 63
v. 2 – – Tony challenged us, “What did he (David) see in the Sanctuary?”
– Brief review of Levitical priesthood in Leviticus chapters 8-9.
– “wilderness talk”; When was the Lord in the wilderness of Judea? Satan wanted to see a sign. Who in that generation wanted to see a sign? Who is this Satan being destroyed?
– David saw, “the fire and sacrifice consumed” (accepted!)


(The Perfect Man) –

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“Learning to rest and just be”.
Matthew 11:28-30
“Nothing refreshed my soul more than growing in my understanding of God’s kingdom established by grace…and resting in it with no but’s attached”.

Colossians 2:8-10
“…you have been given fullness in Christ”.

Cf. 1 Corinthians 2:2; Hebrews 13:9; 1 John 4:10-13; 1 Corinthians 15:54-57

“Sometimes I feel like an afterlife agnostic”.


(Life NOW in His Kingdom) –

Kari provided the written outline for her presentation which you can read through at the following link,

Psalm 21:2 cf. Psalm 16:11

Kari mentioned being blessed by Jeff McCormack’s message at Berean Bible Church this past April on humility and insights from Margaret Barker on John 17:19. “Margaret Barker, Hebrew & Greek scholar, has suggested that v. 19 is better translated as Jesus saying, “For their (the disciples) sake, I make myself holy, that they themselves also may become divine.” Participation in the divine. What did Peter mean when he said, “For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust.?” What does it look like for us to be partakers in the divine nature? Brothers & sisters, we are so much more than we perceive ourselves to be. We need to meditate upon these things and see Christ’s prayer answered in our individual lives where He asked the Father to “sanctify them and us in the truth.” Who are you in truth? This thread of thought explodes with even more clarity as Jesus continues His requests to the Father.”

“I submit to you, we are where He is”.

Psalm 21:3 cf. Hebrews 9:11

Inaccurate Eschatology causes us to: Wait for a King, who already reigns, Wait for a kingdom, we’re already in, Wait to become, what we already are,  Wait for power, that we already have, Wait for an Age, that we’re already in, Wait for victory, that has already been won, Wait to do, what we should already be doing.” – Nathan Edward Camacho



Wendy focused us in on the various ways to approach the text – divine (prophetic text), David’s struggles, and personal. She highlighted correlations to Eve in the Garden of Eden and the Melchizedek priesthood.

She created a contrast between the ways the ancients viewed the gods (angry) and their necessary appeasement versus the Biblical view of God, a loving, welcoming, fellowship based God.

Wendy mentioned a resource, Kingdom of Priests by Eugene Merill. Here is a link to that resource,

In Scripture, “God seems to do something better than He did before”.

Wendy gave ideas pertaining to the ‘bene Elohim’ in regards to other gods. Seems to be in line with the Divine Heavenly Council view – “little g gods”.

Wendy seemed to believe some can claim “Jewish heritage” today, and highlighted that the “nations coming in is speaking to us”. This seemed to be a Dispensational view and future discussions should be had in that regard.

Hebrews 1:8 – “upright”
– make just
– to do or accomplish something without delay


TONY GALLOP, Ps. 63 continued

  • Our God is a consuming fire.
    4:24/ John 4:24

Throughout the Biblical story, God worked through wicked men to accomplish His purpose.

Remember Leviticus chapters 8-9 (from previous message), “The fire on the altar was to burn continually”. In Solomon’s temple the fire was re-ignited. Today, in an application manner, we are involved in keeping that fire burning.  “The 1st century was the beginning of offering up Spiritual sacrifices”.

Jesus was to baptize with “fire and Spirit”. The burning up of the wheat and the chaff was Jesus’s work in His people. Cf. Romans 15:16; Acts 2:1; Malachi 3:2; Jeremiah 3:29. Christ is the High Priest always keeping the fire lit.

“We are nothing (chaff) all good (wheat) comes from Him!”




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WARD FENLEY, Ps. 69 continued

Define text, context, and intertext

Psalms 69:1-3 cf. Psalms 40:1-3; 6:6-8; 109:25: 51; 102; 147:12-13; 90:16-17; 91:14; 22:6-8; 31:11; 41:9; 55:12-14; 27:9; 31:5; 71:23; 142:4; 40:17; 14:34; 109:22; 38:8-9; 96:11; 98:7-8;

“Christ first experienced whatever you have in Him”.

“Personification and Solidarity”
Hebrews 10; Lamentations 1
Hosea 11:1; Matthew 2:15; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Isaiah 53:3

Book recommendation –

“Be acquainted with His humanity because He was very much acquainted with yours”.

Isaiah 32:17-18 – “The work of righteousness”.
Quietness and confidence; nature should remind of us the beauty we possess in Christ.

“When I am grateful I am less anxious”.

Our sacrifice in Him – Hosea 14:2; Hebrews 13:15; Psalm 69:30-31

Further study – go through the Psalms and mark out studies on “enemies”, “reproach”, “wait for the Lord”. And read these with a Messianic focus.