Simon Tack’s Notes on Ed Stevens Talk – Dating Revelation to 62 AD Pre 70 Date

Revelation Revealed Conference Blue Point Bible Church
3/24/2017

“I am coming quickly” 4 times in Rev
Daniel was promised more info regarding the end of days – knowledge shall increase?

Four main events in Revelation:
1) Soon coming
2) Death of 1 horn of the beast
3) Downfall of Babylon
4) End of the Great Tribulation

If Rev was written in 95 AD, how were these 4 things fulfilled soon after?
Babylonian destruction in 586 BC had many books written about it.
God always raised up prophets before destroying.
What great city to Christians and Jews fell around 95 AD?
Rev has to be about Jerusalem, therefore written before 70 AD.

Rev 1:7 Every eye will see him, including those who pierced him.
Christ’s soon coming 3:11, 22:7, 22:12, 22:20

Josephus documented the day and hour of Jesus’ appearing, Matt 24. Temple was still standing in Rev 11 Measuring the temple implied its doom.

Jerusalem is the great city: Rev 11:8, 18:24, Like 13:33; Mt 23:29-39. Implies AD 70.

Rev 11:8 dead bodies lying in streets defiled the Holy City.

Pre 66 Date
Before John died in Neronic persecution 64-66
AD. 66 AD outbreak of Jewish war cut tribulation (persecution of church) short.

Pre 64 Date
Rev predicts Neronic persecution, implies a pre 64 AD date.
The 7 churches were stable and Judaizer activity was occurring, therefore before Neronic persecution of AD 64

62 Date
Hebrews was written 62 or 63 AD, therefore Revelation before late 62 AD (missed why).
1 Pe 5:13 – She who is in Babylon…
1 Pe written in 63 AD, therefore Rev pre 63 AD.
John wrote Rev while in exile on Patmos
Per Josephus, James and companions arrested by Annus II

John in Patmos by early summer 62 AD
Rev written May to Dec 62 AD

An Introduction to and Praise of the Corporate Body View (CBV)

Establishing Himself as the fulfillment of all that was hoped for, Jesus Christ said:

“I am the Resurrection and the Life: he that believes in Me, though he were dead, yet he shall live: and whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this (John 11:25)”.

The Christian believes Jesus Christ to be the fulfillment of all that Israel longed for. The Apostle Paul explained the “hope of resurrection” best when he testified before governor Felix in Acts chapter 24:14-15:

“But this I admit to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect I do serve the God of our fathers, believing everything that is in accordance with the Law and the Prophets: having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked”.

When we go back to the beginning of the Biblical story we read that Adam suffered death because of disobedience and this “death” was manifested as his being cut off from the garden of Eden and accessing the Tree of Life (essentially the true life manifested in the presence of God), as well as a return to dust. This “death” effected him while he was alive, as well as after he biologically died. His progeny, Israel, began to have a hope for resurrection after they “like Adam transgressed the covenant (cf. Hosea 6:7)”. The Law of Moses was given to Israel as an “atonement” (a covering that provided life when they walked in obedience – cf. Deuteronomy 30:15). However, instead of walking in obedience, Israel walked in disobedience and reaped death. Like the death of Adam, this death effected Israel while they were alive, as well as after biological death. This death was a covenant reality for all of Israel as they failed to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses, however the Law and the Prophets hoped for the “resurrection of the dead”.

“The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the Law (1 Corinthians 15:56)”

When we begin to examine the “hope of Israel” otherwise known as the “resurrection of the dead” through Scripture we arrive at an understanding of the corporate “bodily hope”. Understanding the focal point of this “bodily hope” as a “corporate reality” which establishes eternal life for the dead and the living, is referred to as the Corporate Body View (Salvation in the Body of Christ). This view is in contrast to what is often referred to as the IBV (Individual Body View), which demands that the doctrine of the “resurrection of the dead” involves an individual body that the saints receive – an Individual Body at Death (IBD). CBV advocates demonstrate that the “resurrection passages” found throughout the Bible are speaking about the “change” (alasso in the Greek) of the living saints and the making stand upright (apantesis in the Greek) of the “dead ones” into one immortal “corporate body” (the glorified Body of Christ). CBV advocates also assert that none of the “resurrection passages” found throughout Scripture, nor the “hope of Israel” otherwise known as the doctrine of the “resurrection of the dead”, pertain to any kind of individual body that the saints received or will receive. This is simply a false notion regarding the goal of eschatology that has been passed on throughout Church History, and is built upon faulty presuppositions as well as assumptions (Futurism, the Immortality of the Soul, the Resurrection of the Flesh, to name a few).

“He is the Head of the Body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything (Colossians 1:18)”.

A simple reading through the context of the Apostles Paul’s hope and his writings, say for example reading through the Book of Romans, will show that the “bodily hope” is detailing the death to one body and “newness of life” found in another. This is the Body of which Christ is the Head. It is important to note how Israel under the Law of Moses was understood to be a corporate people, and the Greeks are well known for their great “assemblies” or “bodies” (soma in the Greek) which they boasted in regards to. It was dying to these assemblies/bodies of identification and the being raised into the Body of Christ which would have been readily understood by people inclusively focused as the original audience was. This is what much of the “bodily talk” in the New Testament pertains to. This is a concept that a Hellenized spirituality (a spirituality based upon otherworldly notions that come from the imaginations of men as seen and passed on through Greco-Roman culture), or a 21st century mindset is not necessarily predisposed to.

Also, a Biblical consistency is revealed when we understand the narrative and the context of the “hope of Israel”. The death being defeated through Jesus Christ and the life being offered as represented through baptism begins to make sense. The resurrection of which Colossians 1:8 says that which is first in surely couldn’t be physical biological resurrection since we see this happen many times throughout the Scriptures. Also, as we study the Law and the Prophets, we see how unnecessary discussion about individual realities becomes and instead we develop the a prophetic imagination and get brought into the corporate reality fulfilled through Jesus Christ.

As we continue to see reformation happen within the Body of Christ, especially pertaining to eschatological details (which the “resurrection of the dead” is involved with), we need to move away from these strange notions of and focuses on individual realities, and instead cling to what we might call “resurrection realities”. Consider two texts that pointed to the hope of resurrection and what the outcome would be:

“Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever (Daniel 12:2-3)”.

“And the Lord God will save them in that day as the flock of His people; for they are as the stones of a crown, sparkling in His land. For what comeliness and beauty will be theirs! Grain will make the young men flourish, and new wine the virgins (Zechariah 9:16-17)”.

The “resurrection of the dead” is the ultimate conclusion of fulfilled Bible prophecy. The fulfillment of the every joy and tittle of the Law and the Prophets it all that the prophets longed and hoped for. In and through that fulfillment the Mystery of the Ages would be revealed The living and the dead would and were raised into a new “bodily experience” when the Messiah fulfilled all that was necessary for the restitution of all things. The Apostle Paul detailed the overcoming of the covenantal death, which was lamented through the Prophets in this manner:

“But when this perishable will have put on the the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, “Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting”.

Praise God for the Corporate Body Resurrection! The Glorified Immortal Body of Christ where Resurrection and Life is found.

 

 

MORE ARTICLES OF PASTOR MICHAEL MIANO’S ON THE CBV VIEW:

https://mianogonewild.wordpress.com/2014/06/05/resurrection-of-the-dead-ones/

https://mianogonewild.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/1-corinthians-15-summaries/

https://mianogonewild.wordpress.com/2013/01/21/the-effect-of-a-fulfilled-corporate-gospel/

https://mianogonewild.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/the-hope-of-israel-transition-part-3/

Reviewing the Revelation Revealed Bible Conference (Part 2)

You can read part 1 of this review at the following link, https://powerofpreterism.wordpress.com/2017/04/04/reviewing-the-revelation-revealed-bible-conference-part-1/

Mr. Mert Melfa our video guy, put together all the videos from the Conference and emailed a link to those who he had on an email list. I wanted to provide the link again and in this public blog, so here it is – https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1h2WwSa-8dMGmcP7qTKQ3pACwxgpvzBb

I pray that each of you have been blessed and edified by the videos that have been put out. I look forward to uploading the videos to The Power of Preterism Network’s page, where you can access the video footage for each year’s Annual Conference at BPBC. Here is a link to that page, http://www.powerofpreterism.com/preterism-.html

This year we had some returning speakers and we had some new ones.

Mr. Adam Maarschalk, of www.AdamMaarschalk.com, spoke to us about the Beast of Revelation. Adam has got to be one of the most studious and provider of some of the best and well-thought out blogs within the “preterist movement”. Each year he provides an awesome outline for his speaking presenations, which he provided on his website at the following link, https://adammaarschalk.com/2017/04/09/who-was-the-beast-five-clues-long-island-conference-presentation/

Ed Silsbe, a deacon at The Blue Point Bible Church, shared a detailed short story challenging us in regards to compassion. Utilizing a write up called “The Self Improvement of Salvatore Ross”

Deacon Ed Silsbe always highlights a good story and hits home with a message. And if Mr. Silsb’e story wasn’t enough to get us thinking, we had Herman, of Herman & Nudix challenge us with a comedic skit regarding “What Were They Thinking?”.

Dr. Don K. Preston, of the Preterist Research Institute, offered a stirring and evangelistic message through a video presentation. And Pastor Steve Schilling, who also serves at The Blue Point Bible Church, preached the Gospel of the Kingdom at the Sunday “Worship Service”.

Two speakers who were new to our conference were Mr. Daniel Morais of www.RevelationRevolution.org, and Mr. William Vincent. Mr. Daniel Morais gave a 30 minute lecture regarding “the parousia of Christ” and has continually been a go to resource regarding the details found in Scripture, especially in regards to the Book of Revelation. And Mr. William Vincent offered an honest and humble approach to looking at worship and the role of the Body of Christ as seen in and through the Book of Revelation.

Again listen to all of these and more at the following link, https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1h2WwSa-8dMGmcP7qTKQ3pACwxgpvzBb

I look forward to offering a couple more reviews as we look at the notes taken and shared from some others guests who attended the conference, as well as some critical review of the debate between myself and Pastor Earl Wallace, of Liberty Christian Fellowship.

In Service to Him,

Pastor Michael Miano

Sam, Stop Talking…: A Review of the Smackdown on RR

RR = Reviewing Revelation podcast w/ Travis Finley

I want to start this review of a podcast I recently listened to by offering up some context. I debated Mr. Sam Frost in February 2013. Mr. Frost left the “Full Preterist view” as I came into it back in 2012. Sam Frost among others has been vicious in attitude and blatantly rude toward Full Preterism since he left. I must say, I respect Sam Frost’s work when he was a Full Preterist and his willingness to continue to have these discussions with Full Preterists (being one of the few willing Futurists who are willing to engage in controversial discussion on such crucial issues). The resources and edification he has provided in favor of the Preterist view cannot be denied. He published a hardly making sense book on why he left Full Preterism by the title “Why I Left Full Preterism”. You purchase it at the following link, https://store.americanvision.org/products/why-i-left-full-preterism

It was all of that which precipitated by debating him in 2013. You can watch that debate on Youtube at the following link, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz4JEGAsumE

Ever since that debate and all the ad hom attacks that were made following it, I have been persistent in telling leaders and teachers to not give Sam Frost any attention. He has been proven wrong and silly not only in the debate we had, but his reasoning for leaving Full Preterism behind. However, I must say…Mr. Finley did an amazing job exposing the inconsistencies of “Partial Preterism” as well as highlighted the illogical mind of Sam Frost.

Travis Finley highlighted some of what he referred to as “hermeneutical hiccups”, namely detailing how problematic it is to take Matthew chapter 24 and agree about the destruction of Jerusalem being a focal point (obviously if you read Matthew 24:3 as well as Luke 19:41-44) and then switch the point and make it about the end of the world. Sam Frost tried to assert that verse 36 diverges and it becomes about the end of the world. Yikes! All of this just further serves to demonstrate as Mr. Finley rightly noted, “a pre-commitment to futurism”. Talk about hermeneutical gymnastics!

After listening to Travis and Sam talk about the “perpescuity of Scripture”, I was urged to rethink that concept I haven’t heard in quite some time. Here is a link to the Theopedia defintion, http://www.theopedia.com/clarity-of-scripture

Sam Frost went on quite a few rants, however in one specific one he began to detail all the different 2nd Temple eschatologies that had developed within the culture that Jesus Christ came to. I absolutely loved Travis’ “I don’t give a hoot” response. Sam Frost clearly doesn’t care how silly it sounds to say the disciples didn’t understand the details being written to them however we do (which is an argument he usually tries to twist and use against Full Preterists). Here is an example. When Sam accuses Full Preterists of having an understanding that the original audience would not have had this is usually based on his ignorance of the topic and how it was understood in this context (no worries this can be alleviated by a little bit of historical and cultural context of details found in Scripture). However when Sam is cornered on contradictions within his view he asserts that there is a “sophisticated world of eschatology” that even the Apostles did not understand. Whoa!

The discussion that Travis and Sam had about “heaven and earth” was very telling. I must acknowledge Travis’ calm demeanor and clear detailing during the show (in obvious contrast to Mr. Frost’s aggressiveness). Even those listening with me referred to Mr. Finley as the “calm guy” and recognized the need to pray for Mr. Frost. Also, Sam Frost clearly doesn’t understand poetic language. Travis did great in the discussion regarding poetic language and the use of Psalm 102. Sam went on a rant about “poetic bones” which was very revealing in regards to his reading of Biblical literature. Boy oh boy has he intellectually reverted.

The final discussion on the “death of Adam” surely was silly. Ultimately it led to a usual confusion and immediate attack that happens when people are told to take a step back and look at Scripture through the proper historical and cultural context, and then find your place in the narrative. Not surprising of 21st century Bible teachers who want to cling to “traditional teachings seemingly be as indivividualist ego-eccentric as the rest of the culture. Thus Mr. Frost’s rant about people dying, suffering, and those stuck in depravity.

I loved the broadcast and was inspired to write a quick review. Here is the link to the podcast, https://www.spreaker.com/user/rtb4tftx/episode-54-smackdown-rr-style-baby

Thanks Travis! Your a blessing to the Body!

Blessings in Christ Jesus,

Pastor Michael Miano

“Pushing Preterism”

push it
Blessings.
I published an interactive Facebook LIVE video last night while cooking my “late night snack” detailing some of the things I will mention in this note. 
Namely what I want to speak about is the necessity of the reformation that Preterism is having on and within the Christian Church. Praise God! As more and more Believers walk worthy of 2 Timothy 2:15, and ministers walk worthy of Titus 1:9, the truth of how Jesus Christ fulfilled everything He said He would right on time is spreading. That is what we are referring to as the “preterist reformation”. Thus bringing about the glorious reality of living under fully consummated fulfilled in the new age (Biblically referred to as the “age to come”).
Why is this so necessary? Prayerfully we are in agreement that God desires us to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth (John 4:24), and that the goal of our Christian lives is to “grow in the grace and knowledge of God” (cf. ) knowing that He has given us everything that pertains to life and Godliness. The view of “Futurism” (the belief that Jesus has yet to come to fulfill all that He promised He would) has stunted the growth and effect of the Church on the world. I firmly believe God brings us through these “reformations” (thus noting the semper reformanda (Latin for “ever reforming”) nature of the Christian Church, and thus Believers) to challenge us to grow and to see how He is working in and through us.
Allow me to highlight a conversation I had yesterday on Facebook to further express what I am saying. A Christian leader commented on a praise that another Christian leader was giving in regards to the reforms “fulfilled covenant eschatology” is having in the Church. This is some of what he said:
“…as of right now I am not 100% on what my view on eschatology is nor do I believe it to be at the forefront of Believer’s minds on any every day basis in their relationship with God”.
My response what that it sure seemed as though “eschatology” (end times views) were are the forefront of Believer’s minds everyday in Scripture and I lamented what many have done to the Gospel message. I could go on and on about how important the “last days” were to Believer’s in Scripture, however for brevity sake I will have us consider 1 Thessalonians 5:1-6:
“Now as to the times and epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you. For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. While they are saying, “Peace and safety!” then suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief; for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; so let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober”.
The foundation of the Christian faith is built upon that first century generation to whom Christ was revealed being “alert and sober”. They heeded the message of Jesus Christ and knew the times. Specifically they knew that the Jews who felt they had “peace and safety” in their hypocritical “self-righteous” religion were coming under God’s judgement (ie., a coming of the Lord meaning war and invasion). That day would not overtake the Believer’s because they would know and listen to the wisdom given to them by Jesus Christ (cf. Matthew 24; Luke 21, etc.).
After my reply, the Christian leader whom had originally said that “eschatology” didn’t seem all that important responded:
“…and as far as it being in the forefront ok…if your concentration in your everyday life is pushing preterism I think it is a problem…It might of been spoken about often and at the forefront but not most important for sure..”.
I wouldn’t be so sure, sir. If the “end times” were at the forefront of Believer’s minds in Scripture we have 1 or 2 options; either we are still living in those last days they were experiencing and we need to be as diligent, dare I say “alert and sober” as they were, or we are living past those days in what they pointed to. Either way our concentration in everyday life, especially in regards to our in spirit and in truth worship of God, needs to be on what God has and is doing. I firmly believe God is working in and through the “preterist movement” to highlight these things, thus I believe the most important thing we should be doing is “pushing preterism”. Ultimately because this is being consistent and taking our stand upon His Word and walking in line with His Spirit in our day and age.
“The role of a minister is this; to encourage the saints in sound doctrine and rebuke those who oppose it (Titus 1:9)”.
PS – I have personally and publically debated Futurism/ Preterism for the past 5 years and while I have seen so much sincerity in searching the Scriptures, I have also seen an abundance of ignorance and dishonesty from Christian leaders. Not to mention the confusion that is being given to the masses. I will share a couple debates I have had below, noting that the first link is to a debate done a bit more than a week ago. Take note of Futurist confusion!