Christ & The Kingdom in Psalms & Proverbs (2019 NCMI Conference)

NCMI Conference SpeakersLast week, New Creation Ministries International (NCMI) hosted a conference focused on “Christ and the Kingdom in Psalms and Proverbs” in Temecula, California. Mr. Ward Fenley, was the host speaker and there was a variety of other speakers such as Mrs. Kari Birks, Pastor Tony Gallop, Mr. Todd Williams, Pastor Michael Miano, Pastor Steve Salomon, and Ms. Wendy Birks. A blessed and insightful time it was.

In this blog, I desire to not only share links and pictures to help you be blessed and edified, but also to share some of the notes I took during the conference.


TODD WILLIAMS, Ps. 102; 22; 89; 145
(A New People) –

Kingdom – a realm associated with or regarded as being under the control of a particular person or thing. We are discussing the reign or authority of God. A reign that knows “no end” (cf. Luke 1:33; Ephesians 3:21). A king or kingdom must have servants.

Our kingdom talk is about the house-temple-kingdom of God and its transition from old to new. When we study through the transitions we find an old and new – temple, stones, city, Jerusalem, and mountain. “One promised life, one is life; one came with observation, one comes without”.

Psalm 102:18; Psalm 22:30-31; Psalm 89:3-4; Psalm 102:28

Old = Exodus 19:6   New = 1 Peter 2:19
Psalm 90 declares the Lord is our dwelling place.


WARD FENLEY, Ps. 69 (Pt. 1)
(The Thoughts of Jesus in the Psalms) –

Two cautions – be aware of the “unfulfilled Kingdom approach” when reading Scriptures and keeping us waiting or expecting things we already have (ex., praying the Lord’s Prayer) and the approach of discarding things that have been provided for us in the Kingdom (ex., “Israel-Only view).

Social action needs sound theology.

The goal of our theology: joy, gratitude, developing a heart of study, to love more

Thy Kingdom came – Matthew 3:2; 4:17; Colossians 1:13

Luke 24:25-27, 44-17 – “God has the best hermeneutics”; “God is a God who reveals”.

Romans 15:8-12; Acts 13:32-35

When we examine Psalms we are looking for who He is and what He does.  In relation to the anticipated Kingdom:
– Pharasaic motifs (wicked, enemies)
– Kingdom prophetic elements and motifs
– Tongues motifs
– The humanity of Christ (“We must acknowledge Christ’s humanity to better express His kingdom on earth”)

Psalm 69 (and other correlating Psalms) – Ward mentioned “reading with a new paradigm”.
v. 4 cf. John 15:25
v. 21 cf. Matthew 27:34
v. 22-23 cf. Romans 11:9-10
cf. Jeremiah 30:9; Ezekiel 34:23-24

“We are in a beautiful place (Kingdom of God), but it doesn’t always feel like it”.


TONY GALLOP, Ps. 63 (Pt. 1)

We must discern “things that are seen” (types and shadows) with things that are “not seen” (Spiritual).
Proverbs 2 – “searching for Wisdom”; “Through our searching He reveals Wisdom to us”.

Romans 1:18; 2 Corinthians 4:8 – We learn and discern and “covenant creation”; the Scriptures detail the beginning and the end of the Old Covenant tabernacle system; the Levitical priesthood to be a type and shadow of Christ in us.

Psalm 63
v. 2 – – Tony challenged us, “What did he (David) see in the Sanctuary?”
– Brief review of Levitical priesthood in Leviticus chapters 8-9.
– “wilderness talk”; When was the Lord in the wilderness of Judea? Satan wanted to see a sign. Who in that generation wanted to see a sign? Who is this Satan being destroyed?
– David saw, “the fire and sacrifice consumed” (accepted!)


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“Learning to rest and just be”.
Matthew 11:28-30
“Nothing refreshed my soul more than growing in my understanding of God’s kingdom established by grace…and resting in it with no but’s attached”.

Colossians 2:8-10
“…you have been given fullness in Christ”.

Cf. 1 Corinthians 2:2; Hebrews 13:9; 1 John 4:10-13; 1 Corinthians 15:54-57

“Sometimes I feel like an afterlife agnostic”.


(Life NOW in His Kingdom) –

Kari provided the written outline for her presentation which you can read through at the following link,

Psalm 21:2 cf. Psalm 16:11

Kari mentioned being blessed by Jeff McCormack’s message at Berean Bible Church this past April on humility and insights from Margaret Barker on John 17:19. “Margaret Barker, Hebrew & Greek scholar, has suggested that v. 19 is better translated as Jesus saying, “For their (the disciples) sake, I make myself holy, that they themselves also may become divine.” Participation in the divine. What did Peter mean when he said, “For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust.?” What does it look like for us to be partakers in the divine nature? Brothers & sisters, we are so much more than we perceive ourselves to be. We need to meditate upon these things and see Christ’s prayer answered in our individual lives where He asked the Father to “sanctify them and us in the truth.” Who are you in truth? This thread of thought explodes with even more clarity as Jesus continues His requests to the Father.”

“I submit to you, we are where He is”.

Psalm 21:3 cf. Hebrews 9:11

Inaccurate Eschatology causes us to: Wait for a King, who already reigns, Wait for a kingdom, we’re already in, Wait to become, what we already are,  Wait for power, that we already have, Wait for an Age, that we’re already in, Wait for victory, that has already been won, Wait to do, what we should already be doing.” – Nathan Edward Camacho



Wendy focused us in on the various ways to approach the text – divine (prophetic text), David’s struggles, and personal. She highlighted correlations to Eve in the Garden of Eden and the Melchizedek priesthood.

She created a contrast between the ways the ancients viewed the gods (angry) and their necessary appeasement versus the Biblical view of God, a loving, welcoming, fellowship based God.

Wendy mentioned a resource, Kingdom of Priests by Eugene Merill. Here is a link to that resource,

In Scripture, “God seems to do something better than He did before”.

Wendy gave ideas pertaining to the ‘bene Elohim’ in regards to other gods. Seems to be in line with the Divine Heavenly Council view – “little g gods”.

Wendy seemed to believe some can claim “Jewish heritage” today, and highlighted that the “nations coming in is speaking to us”. This seemed to be a Dispensational view and future discussions should be had in that regard.

Hebrews 1:8 – “upright”
– make just
– to do or accomplish something without delay


TONY GALLOP, Ps. 63 continued

  • Our God is a consuming fire.
    4:24/ John 4:24

Throughout the Biblical story, God worked through wicked men to accomplish His purpose.

Remember Leviticus chapters 8-9 (from previous message), “The fire on the altar was to burn continually”. In Solomon’s temple the fire was re-ignited. Today, in an application manner, we are involved in keeping that fire burning.  “The 1st century was the beginning of offering up Spiritual sacrifices”.

Jesus was to baptize with “fire and Spirit”. The burning up of the wheat and the chaff was Jesus’s work in His people. Cf. Romans 15:16; Acts 2:1; Malachi 3:2; Jeremiah 3:29. Christ is the High Priest always keeping the fire lit.

“We are nothing (chaff) all good (wheat) comes from Him!”




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WARD FENLEY, Ps. 69 continued

Define text, context, and intertext

Psalms 69:1-3 cf. Psalms 40:1-3; 6:6-8; 109:25: 51; 102; 147:12-13; 90:16-17; 91:14; 22:6-8; 31:11; 41:9; 55:12-14; 27:9; 31:5; 71:23; 142:4; 40:17; 14:34; 109:22; 38:8-9; 96:11; 98:7-8;

“Christ first experienced whatever you have in Him”.

“Personification and Solidarity”
Hebrews 10; Lamentations 1
Hosea 11:1; Matthew 2:15; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Isaiah 53:3

Book recommendation –

“Be acquainted with His humanity because He was very much acquainted with yours”.

Isaiah 32:17-18 – “The work of righteousness”.
Quietness and confidence; nature should remind of us the beauty we possess in Christ.

“When I am grateful I am less anxious”.

Our sacrifice in Him – Hosea 14:2; Hebrews 13:15; Psalm 69:30-31

Further study – go through the Psalms and mark out studies on “enemies”, “reproach”, “wait for the Lord”. And read these with a Messianic focus.





What’s Next – 2019 Conference Review

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Last week we had our 6th Annual Bible Conference at the Blue Point Bible Church. Pictures are still be uploaded, many of us are still relishing the fellowship that was had, and prayerfully, reviewing our notes and uploaded videos from the conference. As is my usual custom, I’d like to share some of my notes from the messages and of course provide links for your viewing pleasure.

Also, you can find the Facebook group designed just for this conference at the following link,



Conference Opening


Mr. Ward Fenley, New Creation Ministries International  –

  • “Psalms are Jesus’ thoughts while He was on earth”.
  • Read Psalm 145 and consider the Kingdom.
  • There is no “scuba-diving” in the Kingdom of God. (cf. Micah 7:19)


Mr. Holger Neubauer, Lakeshore Church of Christ

  • In Joshua 5, Joshua meets a man (Christology)
  • “All the “ologies” must be found in the Old Testament”
  • “The OT is not willy nilly mentions of Jesus, rather it is an outline of eternal Messianic work”.
  • “OT understanding clarifies what Jesus meant”.
  • Joshua 5:2 – circumcision “again” – soteriology – Col. 2:11-12; Mark 16:16; Acts 8:35 – 36
  • “Jesus connected belief and baptism to the Gospel”. (cf. Mark 16:16)
  • Joshua 5:9 – after the 40 year period (transition)
  • Joshua 5:12 – “The manna ceased…” (Holger explained that the miracles cease when they get into the land, many see “different miracles” happening in the land).
  • “Preterists are the only ones who take the Lord’s Supper with the proper attitude”
  • “The Spirit speaks expressly, the Holy Spirit teaches with words”.


Michael Miano reads thoughts from Mr. Larry Siegle of Fulfilled Dynamics –


Rev. Charles Hallford, Gospel Ministerial Alliance

Deacon Edward Silsbe, The Blue Point Bible Church

Apostle Johnny Ova, Sound of Heaven

Pastor Steve Schilling, The Blue Point Bible Church

  • Acts 16:25-34
  • “Sir, what must I do to be saved?”; “And they spoke the word of the Lord to him together with all who were in his house”.
  • What’s next? A step back and looking at ourselves and allowing the Lord Jesus to go before us.
  • Jeremiah 9:24; 1 Corinthians 1:31; 2 Corinthians 10:17
  • John 17:3 – Eternal Life
  • John 1:18; John 3:14-15; 1 Cor. 2:12-16; John 4:24
  • “Is it wrong to think?”
  • What’s next? That they all may be one and that we die to ourselves to Christ lives through us!


Mr. Glenn Hill, author of Christianity’s Great Dilemma

  • Revelation 21:2-6, 10, 17, 21-27 – New Jerusalem
  • Specific text – Revelation 21:25 – “Her gates shall never be shut”
  • “What’s next for Preterism? Perhaps is should be evangelism”.
  • “His great priority” – seek and save the lost
  • John 14:2; Galatians 4; Hebrews 12:18 – “Relationship – the place we live – in the Father”
  • “Help me to move the unredeemed from the back burner to the front burner”.


Here is some Q&A with various speakers on various topics


Get your copy and watch Peacemakers: Crossing the Divide at the following link,


Of course we also had skits and antics by Herman & Nudix. Here are a few links to those videos:

Friday Night Game Show –

Batman & Robin Whack King James –

Batman & Robin Find A Bomb at Burger King –


Sunday Worship Service

Opening Worship, Exhortation, and Special Music –

Pastor Michael Miano, What’s Next? Our Latent Potential –

“Last Days DVD Series” Outline – Dr. William Bell

For the past few months we have been reviewing Dr. William Bell’s video series on the “Last Days” in our Saturday morning Bible study at The Blue Point Bible Church. Below I will share notes from each week’s study for the review and edification of others. The goal would be to watch the series, utilize the notes for an outline, and for each student to be able to explain the concepts behind each video – What would happen when Shiloh comes? What’s the Song of Moses detailing about the “last days”? What eschatological significance can we gain from learning about Zion? What was and is the consummated work of the eschatological Spirit?

Video 1 – Until Shiloh Comes

  • Protology (the study of beginning things) and eschatology (the study of last things) are intimately connected. Both require HERMENUETICS of AUDIENCE RELEVANCE & TIME STATEMENTS.
  • Jeremiah 31 cf. Hebrews 8:6
  • What we need is to develop an “Old Covenant GPS” – “God has laid everything out”
    Genesis 49; Deuteronomy 31-32; 1 Samuel 8
  • Bell outlined a narrative understanding from Genesis to 1 Samuel chapter 8.
  • “Every time Christ was offered “earthly rule”, He refused, because it was seen as rejected the rule of God”.


Video 2 – Song of Moses

  • Genesis 49:10 – “The scepter will not depart from Judah” (last days prophecy)

Dr. Bell begins to “Recap history and pull in prophecies”.
721 BC – Hoshea leads Israel (10 northern tribes) into idolatry (cf. 2 Kings 15:30; 17:1-6)
“Israel is swallowed up of the Gentiles”  – Jonah, Hosea
Deut. 24:1-5; Jeremiah 1:8 (God divorces Israel)

  • “Peace that abides in the Kingdom of God is not the absence of military conflict (cf. Isaiah 32:15-20)”.
  • Peter quotes Hosea as being fulfilled in his day (cf. Hosea 1:9-10; 2:23; 3:5 cf. 1 Peter 2:9-10
    “Israel’s soteriology”
  • Hosea 5 – Israel torn by lion and dies. Cf. Hosea 13 – how did Ephraim die and sin no more?
  • Judah ( 2 southern tribes) fails to learn from Israel’s (10 northern tribes) judgement.
    (cf. Isaiah study)
  • A Kingdom picture
    Jacob – Gen. 49:10
    Moses – 1500 BC – Deut. 31-32
    King Saul and King David – 1 Samuel 8
    Split in Kingdom after King Solomon
    Assyrian Invasion – 721 BC
    Babylonian Invasion – 586 BC
    Jesus Christ – 1st century
    AD 70



Video 2 – Continued

  • “Last Days” – Israel’s end time, not ours
    5:16-18; Acts 24:14-15; Acts 26:22 – 23; 1 Peter 1:10-12; Revelation 10:7
  • “The end of Judah” cf. Deuteronomy 31:29-30
  • 2 Peter 3:3-5; 2 Peter 2:5 – What “world” was destroyed in the days of Noah? That is our contrast, but, what happened in Noah’s generation that would never happen again?
  • Matthew 24:3 cf. 1 Corinthians 10:11
  • Deuteronomy 32:29 cf. 1 Thessalonians 5 (cf. Luke 19:41-44)



Group Study on Deuteronomy chapters 31-32
OICA acronym – Observation, Interpretation, Correlation, Application

  • 31
    Moses is readying to die.
    v. 4 – “He will do to them…”
    v. 7 – “Go with this people into the land”
    (promises to the forefathers  – Deut. 29:13)
    v. 10-13 – “At the end of every 7 years” (laws and curses, ingathering/harvest)
    v. 15 – The Lord’s appearance (in a cloud)
    v. 16 – “The people will wander away” (idolatry)
    v. 17-18 – idolatry, wickedness – He will turn His face from them
    v. 19 – Give this song, “That this song may be a witness for Me against the children of Israel”
    v. 28 – gather officers and elders
    v. 29 – evil will befall them in the last days
  • 32
    v. 1 – cf. Deut. 31:28 – who is Moses speaking to? Cf. Genesis 49
    v. 4 – “rock” cf. Exodus 17 and Numbers 20
    v. 5 – “crooked and perverse generation” cf. Matthew 17:17; Philippians 2:15
    v. 8 – “divided the sons of Adam” cf. Acts 17:26
    v. 9-10 – “covenant creation”
    v. 36 – “His people”, “His servants”, “their power” cf. Daniel 12:7
    v. 39 – 43 – faithfulness, rejoice ! Cf. Isaiah 55:11

Video 3 – The Word Goes Forth From Zion

  • Note the importance of Zion in eschatology (look up in Blue Letter Bible)
    Zion = Church = Kingdom
    Isaiah 2:3 – rebuilding the Temple (cf. Micah 4:2; Zechariah 6:12-13; Mark 15:58; Acts 7:47 – 50; Matthew 12:6-8)
  • King + Priest – the Old Covenant could NOT produce that! The Branch will do this! (Jesus)
  • In our proof-texting, Isaiah and Zechariah, we should put together the historical – chronological narrative and consider the Rabbinic tradition of the “coming of the Lord” and the rebuilding of the Temple. (see, Challenge & Transformation: Second Temple & Rabbinic Judaism – Jewish Learning Institute –
  • Hebrews 2:1-4; Hebrews 9:26 – “Last Days” began…
    “consummation of the age”; “fullness of time” – Christianity can NOT have “last days”.
  • “When the Messenger appears, then the Lord will suddenly come to His Temple (cf. Malachi 3:1; Romans 10:5 (first-fruits); Revelation 7:14


Video 4 – The Eschatological Spirit

  • 5- fold picture
    Miraculous nature
    2. Purpose of Second Exodus
    3. Time of pouring out – last days
    4. Duration of the Spirit
    5. The result of the work
  • Spirit’s work for a “particular time” cf. Joel 2:28-32 (future); Acts 2:16-20 (was already occurring)
    – a remnant will be saved (Romans 9 and 11)
    – “Specific signs when the Spirit was poured out” – Christ and the Apostles
    – “Spirit was given through the laying on the Apostles hands (cf. Acts 6: 5-6; 8:14-18; Romans 1:11; 2 Timothy 1:6)
    – Apostle Paul was last person qualified to impart miraculous nature of the Holy Spirit (cf. Galatians 3:3-5; Philippians 1:6; Jude 19)
  • Luke 9:31 – “exodus”
    – Exodus from flesh/ natural to Spirit (cf. Romans 7:4; Micah 7:15; Joshua 5:9; Galatians 4:21-230
    – 40 year imagery (exodus from Egypt; exodus from the Law)
  • The Spirit demonstrated the “Day of the Lord” was near (Galatians 4:4; Hebrews 1:1-2; 9:26)
  • “time of the end” – Daniel 8:17, 19; 11:35, 40; 12:4, 9
  • “There are no “last days” in a Kingdom that has no end” (cf. Isaiah 9:7; Ephesians 3:21)
  • “Till the end of the age” – Matthew 28:20
    The Holy Spirit continued to the end of the age
  • John 14-16 (read all the way through to chapter 17)
    – Jesus would go away for “a little while”
    – Holy Spirit would be sent in His absence
    – After a little while, He would return
    – He returned to end the Jewish age in AD 70
    – The Holy Spirit continued to the end of the age


There is also a Video 5 which goes through Matthew chapter 24. We encourage you to study the details of Matthew chapters 23-24 in context, do some historical research, and prayerfully you will praise God for the power of Preterism!

More resources from Dr. William Bell at the following link,

Notes on Andrew Wommack’s “Against Preterism”

Recently I began listening to some podcasts by a preacher named Andrew Wommack. I had enjoyed these podcasts, namely because of his knowledge and willingness to handle the message of grace – honestly and responsibly. When I had mentioned his name to a fellow Preterist brother, he scoffed, and made mention of Andrew’s “Against Preterism” video on YouTube. So, I went ahead and checked it out. You can watch it at the following link,

Right from the start Andrew explained the definition of “praeter” meaning past, defining Bible prophecy as fulfilled in the past, culminating with events of AD 70, then launched into rants against universalism and how Preterism leads to “replacement theology” and one must “reject Scripture in order to believe this”. Later inconsistently remarking, “I’ve never studied it much, but it doesn’t take much study to see that it violates Scripture”.

Universalism and “replacement theology” are the outworking of Futurist theology, not Preterist theology, and it is ignorant to try and assert otherwise. Especially, “replacement theology”, which seeks remove the validity of the Law of Moses and Bible prophecy, all the while replacing the reality with the Church, usually in an effort to be a bit more consistent. Andrew seems a bit confused in his assessment here. Mr. Wommack, hopefully we can find agreement that “studying to show ourselves approved” (2 Timothy 2:15) demands that rather than “sweeping strides” for or against something, we should “prove all things” and not say something reject or affirms unless we have “studied it much”. Which Andrew admittedly have not done, in favor of his presuppositions. No Preterist seeks to make such “sweeping strides” (which he accuses Preterists of, however he is guilty of such “strides”), “violate Scripture”, “take verses out and thrown them out”, or any of the other false claims he made against Preterism.

Also, it would seem Andrew has a rather limited and erroneous view of the dating, documentation, and details of the Book of Revelation. I was shocked to hear him confuse not only the proper dating (which more and more scholars have come to acknowledge must have been before them Temple fell in AD 70), but also, he seems to pick and choose when he would like to apply prophetic symbolism. Andrew, might I encourage you read some books regarding Biblical prophecy outside the Dispensational framework before you go about trying to explain why and how others are doing it wrong? We will get to that point in a moment.

In this YouTube rebuke Andrew Wommack completely avoided time texts and context regarding passages such as Matthew chapter 24 and Revelation 21. He made claims that “Preterists don’t like to listen” to certain portions of Scripture which is completely erroneous as the entire Preterist framework is built upon acknowledge the whole counsel of Scripture in its proper context. In speaking about Preterists he said the following:

“I have not taken a single verse of the Bible and thrown it out as if it does not apply”.

“They are discounting the Word of God and making it symbolic”.

Neither of these statements are true.

I’d like to acknowledge that the video “Against Preterism” is an few years and prayerfully you have reconsidered some things he said and could/should publicly clarity. Also, we should all consider how pride seeming statements are asserting we won’t read other books because we’ve “read the Book”. How strange of a statement from another Bible teacher within the Body. So…Andrew won’t read the books that clarify the Preterist position, books that would pretty much explain that his presuppositions and assertions regarding Preterism are wrong, yet you would teach others as to how they should navigate Truth, listen to him, and read his books?

Andrew has some great teachings on grace through faith, loving thy neighbor, and even explanations of grace in line with the New Covenant, and more.  I would hope this review would be received in the Spirit of respect and honesty, as well as accountability. May a zeal empowered by knowledge lead us forward.

In Service to Him,

Michael Miano
Pastor, Director, & Apologist

The Blue Point Bible Church
The Power of Preterism Network
MGW Apologetics